Comments on: The Knights Templar in Grimsby Lincolnshire http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire A Site About Everything and Nothing Tue, 22 May 2012 00:58:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 Comment on The Knights Templar in Grimsby Lincolnshire by: Rod http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-17270 Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:19:17 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-17270 A-, thanks ofr the comment and welcome to the site. Sadly all the information is on this page I'm afraid, there's nothing left standing to visit. The history of St James is probably your best bet in town if you need pictures, we've covered all the old churches and religious houses in the area a selection can be seen below A- <a href="http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/wellow-abbey-in-grimsby-lincolnshire-a-medieval-investigation">Wellow Abbey</a> <a href="http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/st-james-church-in-grimsby-a-look-at-the-history">St James Church</a> <a href="http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/st-marys-church-grimsby-a-look-at-the-long-gone-church">St Mary's Church</a> Hope this helps a little A All the best Rod A-,
thanks ofr the comment and welcome to the site.
Sadly all the information is on this page I’m afraid, there’s nothing left standing to visit.
The history of St James is probably your best bet in town if you need pictures, we’ve covered all the old churches and religious houses in the area a selection can be seen below A-

Wellow Abbey

St James Church

St Mary’s Church

Hope this helps a little A
All the best
Rod

]]> Comment on The Knights Templar in Grimsby Lincolnshire by: A- http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-17267 Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:26:33 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-17267 Hi Rod, I've just read what you've posted and I find it all very interesting. I am only 17 years old but I am very intrigued, and wondered if you had any further informtation on this. I'm currently working on a joint history/photography project of buildings around my town, Grimsby, and I have chosen to do religious buildings, so upon finding this, I feel it is perfect. Would you be able to tell me it's exact whereabouts, I would be most pleased, as this is a great photographic oppurtunity which would be a shame to miss out on. Thankyou; much appreciated! Hi Rod, I’ve just read what you’ve posted and I find it all very interesting.
I am only 17 years old but I am very intrigued, and wondered if you had any further informtation on this.
I’m currently working on a joint history/photography project of buildings around my town, Grimsby, and I have chosen to do religious buildings, so upon finding this, I feel it is perfect.
Would you be able to tell me it’s exact whereabouts, I would be most pleased, as this is a great photographic oppurtunity which would be a shame to miss out on.
Thankyou; much appreciated!

]]> Comment on The Knights Templar in Grimsby Lincolnshire by: Rod http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-11790 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:53:51 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-11790 Sam, thanks for the wonderful comment and welcome to the site. It does indeed have something to do with the post and is a great reference, I've not seen that book before. I'm going to look into Walter de la Lindes of Little Cotes straight away. Thanks again Sam for a great and useful comment All the best Rod Sam,
thanks for the wonderful comment and welcome to the site.
It does indeed have something to do with the post and is a great reference, I’ve not seen that book before.
I’m going to look into Walter de la Lindes of Little Cotes straight away.

Thanks again Sam for a great and useful comment
All the best
Rod

]]> Comment on The Knights Templar in Grimsby Lincolnshire by: Sam http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-11786 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:03:16 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-11786 Hi there .... I dont know if this is anything to do with anything that you have been talking about but i have recently purchased a book called "Foul deeds and suspicious Deaths in Grimsby and Cleethorpes". While reading this i came across a section about Templar Knights and i thought it strange as i thought that they were years old. ( i am only 24yrs old myself so do not know much about them). In the book it says something about a Walter de la Lindes of Little Cotes. He took of hold of a port and people stood up to him who were then sent to Laceby. Walter's men stole goods and refused to pay taxes. (Quote from the book) " The Abbot of Wellow blocked a road and the Knights Templars, who were powerful fuedal magnates in the town, damned a stream and cut off fresh water for ordinary folk. Crown property had been taken by force, and by private individuals. Something had to be done, and before a new corporation charter could be given, a bailiffs' court was instituted to try to set things right. Any further escalation of these open quarrels and abuses would have led to violence and murder. In 1259, an investigation led to a provision that merchants had to sell their goods within markets esablished by tradition and common goodwill. It was meant to protect the civil liberties of the weaker or less wealthy town burgesses. Through all these terrible events there were private injuries and open quarrels, as one writer has put it. This is a way of explaining the kind of resentment and aggression that leads to the worst kind of civil unrest and riot. These kinds of violent and brutal events, happening with a background in which the powerful customarily took by force what they wanted, reminds us today that in the centuries before an established police force, the general pattern of legal and moral obligations could easily slip into the arnarchy of clannish vendetta and a 'might is right' frame of mind. One effect of all this was that the Knights Templars in the town were soon dissolved soon after this turbulent period. It is the mark of the power of the burgesses and landed aristocrats such as the de Lindes that this could be achieved'. Not sure if this has anything to do with what you had found but it does say that Knights Templars had dammed a stream and cut off water. Hi there …. I dont know if this is anything to do with anything that you have been talking about but i have recently purchased a book called “Foul deeds and suspicious Deaths in Grimsby and Cleethorpes”. While reading this i came across a section about Templar Knights and i thought it strange as i thought that they were years old. ( i am only 24yrs old myself so do not know much about them).

In the book it says something about a Walter de la Lindes of Little Cotes. He took of hold of a port and people stood up to him who were then sent to Laceby. Walter’s men stole goods and refused to pay taxes.

(Quote from the book) ” The Abbot of Wellow blocked a road and the Knights Templars, who were powerful fuedal magnates in the town, damned a stream and cut off fresh water for ordinary folk.
Crown property had been taken by force, and by private individuals. Something had to be done, and before a new corporation charter could be given, a bailiffs’ court was instituted to try to set things right. Any further escalation of these open quarrels and abuses would have led to violence and murder. In 1259, an investigation led to a provision that merchants had to sell their goods within markets esablished by tradition and common goodwill. It was meant to protect the civil liberties of the weaker or less wealthy town burgesses. Through all these terrible events there were private injuries and open quarrels, as one writer has put it. This is a way of explaining the kind of resentment and aggression that leads to the worst kind of civil unrest and riot.
These kinds of violent and brutal events, happening with a background in which the powerful customarily took by force what they wanted, reminds us today that in the centuries before an established police force, the general pattern of legal and moral obligations could easily slip into the arnarchy of clannish vendetta and a ‘might is right’ frame of mind. One effect of all this was that the Knights Templars in the town were soon dissolved soon after this turbulent period. It is the mark of the power of the burgesses and landed aristocrats such as the de Lindes that this could be achieved’.

Not sure if this has anything to do with what you had found but it does say that Knights Templars had dammed a stream and cut off water.

]]> Comment on The Knights Templar in Grimsby Lincolnshire by: A Retired Bookdealer http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-8584 Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:10:55 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-8584 Rod, I have had a look at the stonework. I wonder if there are any records of a quarry in the area or close by ?, would be interesting to know where materials for such a building could be obtained at the time. ARB Rod,
I have had a look at the stonework.
I wonder if there are any records of a quarry in the area or close by ?,
would be interesting to know where materials for such a building
could be obtained at the time.

ARB

]]> Comment on The Knights Templar in Grimsby Lincolnshire by: Rod http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-8583 Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:33:43 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-8583 ARB there are archives at Lincoln but local religious buildings are so well documented and go into such incredible detail it scarcely seems possible that an entire building of the magnitude suggested by the stonework I have could have existed and not be mentioned in documents I've already seen. Something was there though - question is what ? Rod ARB
there are archives at Lincoln but local religious buildings are so well documented and go into such incredible detail it scarcely seems possible that an entire building of the magnitude suggested by the stonework I have could have existed and not be mentioned in documents I’ve already seen.

Something was there though - question is what ?
Rod

]]> Comment on The Knights Templar in Grimsby Lincolnshire by: A Retired Bookdealer http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-8582 Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:38:07 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-8582 Hi Rod, If there was a monastery or other religious building on the site, would the records of such a building have been kept locally or somewhere such as Lincoln - Lincoln Cathedral perhaps ?. All the best, ARB Hi Rod,

If there was a monastery or other religious building on the site,
would the records of such a building have been kept locally or
somewhere such as Lincoln - Lincoln Cathedral perhaps ?.

All the best,
ARB

]]> Comment on The Knights Templar in Grimsby Lincolnshire by: Rod http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-8581 Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:19:11 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-8581 ARB Welcome Back ! I am told there are very substanial remains of a building and the stonework I have suggests quite a 'high status' one - check out the stonework on the links in the post. The river is mentioned in records way back and would certainly be contemporaneous - in fact looking at the surrounding area an ideal spot for a monatery or such like. Cheers Rod ARB
Welcome Back !
I am told there are very substanial remains of a building and the stonework I have suggests quite a ‘high status’ one - check out the stonework on the links in the post.
The river is mentioned in records way back and would certainly be contemporaneous - in fact looking at the surrounding area an ideal spot for a monatery or such like.
Cheers
Rod

]]> Comment on The Knights Templar in Grimsby Lincolnshire by: A Retired Bookdealer http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-8580 Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:09:38 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-8580 Interesting reading, A missing building - but did it ever exist at all ?. There could be numerous reasons for the remains of a building to be found on the site, Was the building a temporary structure ? an early place of worship later to be replaced by a stone built building ? as the building of these places took years, there would be a need for a temporary structure on or near the site. Also there is water nearby, how old is the river ? what work has been done on the river ? is the river or was part of a more elaborate drainage system ? as we all know many drains and rivers have been made or altered in Lincolnshire over past few hundred years. Again if such work was being done, there would be a need for temporary building / buildings. Interesting reading,
A missing building - but did it ever exist at all ?.
There could be numerous reasons for the remains of a building to be found on the site,

Was the building a temporary structure ?
an early place of worship later to be replaced by a stone built building ?
as the building of these places took years,
there would be a need for a temporary structure on or near the site.

Also there is water nearby, how old is the river ?
what work has been done on the river ?
is the river or was part of a more elaborate drainage system ?
as we all know many drains and rivers have been made or
altered in Lincolnshire over past few hundred years.

Again if such work was being done, there would be a need for temporary building / buildings.

]]> Comment on The Knights Templar in Grimsby Lincolnshire by: Rod http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-8579 Thu, 09 Apr 2009 06:33:39 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-knights-templar-in-grimsby-lincolnshire#comment-8579 LB, Temple Bruer is something that I can't seem to get away from in my research ! I would like to take a trip there at some point and check it out. Rod LB,
Temple Bruer is something that I can’t seem to get away from in my research !
I would like to take a trip there at some point and check it out.
Rod

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