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 		<title>Comment on The Ghost of Bradley Woods ~ The Black Lady by: Rod</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Em,
I've had plenty of strange experiences in a somewhat evetful life - sadly non of them supernatural :)
Perhaps campling out is the answer, I know someon ewho camped out a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-ghost-of-newsham-woods-in-lincolnshire&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Newsham Woods and . . . &lt;/a&gt;
Best,
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Em,<br />
I&#8217;ve had plenty of strange experiences in a somewhat evetful life - sadly non of them supernatural <img src='http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Perhaps campling out is the answer, I know someon ewho camped out a <a href="http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-ghost-of-newsham-woods-in-lincolnshire" rel="nofollow">Newsham Woods and . . . </a><br />
Best,<br />
Rod
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 		<title>Comment on The Ghost of Bradley Woods ~ The Black Lady by: Emma skinner</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>He he its a 'rip off' 
 
Rod,
i completely identify with that feeling of disappointment - from a young age I've frequented those same places with similar aspirations; from 'twaggin' school alone in graveyards; knocking on church doors (south first; then the devils door to the north, other times) and  then running clockwise (anti clockwise other times) - and no devil tripped me up!; 13 times around the witches tree at the stroke of midnight (in boggy marsh) and was not struck down; and a youth full of ouija boards: and nothing.

I did have a perhaps a strange experience with tarot. . . Doing my own readings (which you're not 'supposed' too) - once, during a dozen consecutive attempts, i noticed one card in particular, was in the same place (the 'me, as i am and will be' place as i understood it!)  what did it tell me? Nothing I've not always known! ( the hermit). 
:-)  
so for me; the lack of experience to the contrary suggests 'belief' is a matter of choice or a leap of faith.  I don't seem to easily accept 'convenient' answers. . But Then maybe that's the problem with the logic of a scientific mind - we never reach that heightened awareness necessary to perceive things; feeling comfortable in these places perhaps doesn't help with that - minds and eyes dilated  (with fear or expectation perhaps)  may be more open to seeing things out of the ordinary.

Whereas calm, detached and unexpectant observators with scientific reasoning are more likely to logicide our experiences.

Rod, I'd say we are equal in our affinity with nature -  maybe you should camp there, if you haven't already. . Could be the difference!

All the best
ever, Em</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>He he its a &#8216;rip off&#8217; </p>
	<p>Rod,<br />
i completely identify with that feeling of disappointment - from a young age I&#8217;ve frequented those same places with similar aspirations; from &#8216;twaggin&#8217; school alone in graveyards; knocking on church doors (south first; then the devils door to the north, other times) and  then running clockwise (anti clockwise other times) - and no devil tripped me up!; 13 times around the witches tree at the stroke of midnight (in boggy marsh) and was not struck down; and a youth full of ouija boards: and nothing.</p>
	<p>I did have a perhaps a strange experience with tarot. . . Doing my own readings (which you&#8217;re not &#8217;supposed&#8217; too) - once, during a dozen consecutive attempts, i noticed one card in particular, was in the same place (the &#8216;me, as i am and will be&#8217; place as i understood it!)  what did it tell me? Nothing I&#8217;ve not always known! ( the hermit).<br />
:-)<br />
so for me; the lack of experience to the contrary suggests &#8216;belief&#8217; is a matter of choice or a leap of faith.  I don&#8217;t seem to easily accept &#8216;convenient&#8217; answers. . But Then maybe that&#8217;s the problem with the logic of a scientific mind - we never reach that heightened awareness necessary to perceive things; feeling comfortable in these places perhaps doesn&#8217;t help with that - minds and eyes dilated  (with fear or expectation perhaps)  may be more open to seeing things out of the ordinary.</p>
	<p>Whereas calm, detached and unexpectant observators with scientific reasoning are more likely to logicide our experiences.</p>
	<p>Rod, I&#8217;d say we are equal in our affinity with nature -  maybe you should camp there, if you haven&#8217;t already. . Could be the difference!</p>
	<p>All the best<br />
ever, Em
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 		<title>Comment on The Ghost of Bradley Woods ~ The Black Lady by: Rod</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Emma,
wonderful comment, a joy to read and very well reasoned.
I'm a bit sulky about the fact I've never had 'an experience' !
I'm out in the country more than most yet I've never seen a big cat, I'm at churches and abandoned buildings etc more than most yet I've never seen a ghost.
I've been to Bradley Woods and Newsham Woods etc countless times and seen nothing - it's a rip off :(

I'm open-minded but also logical so some things seem far more likely than others, that said it's dangerous to theorize with sufficient data !

I can't help but think carving wood in an ancient historic woodland must be one of the ultimate ways to get taken back to a time of old - what could be more in keeping and in tune with what's passed there before - a beautiful thing . . . 
Regards,
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Emma,<br />
wonderful comment, a joy to read and very well reasoned.<br />
I&#8217;m a bit sulky about the fact I&#8217;ve never had &#8216;an experience&#8217; !<br />
I&#8217;m out in the country more than most yet I&#8217;ve never seen a big cat, I&#8217;m at churches and abandoned buildings etc more than most yet I&#8217;ve never seen a ghost.<br />
I&#8217;ve been to Bradley Woods and Newsham Woods etc countless times and seen nothing - it&#8217;s a rip off <img src='http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/wp-images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>I&#8217;m open-minded but also logical so some things seem far more likely than others, that said it&#8217;s dangerous to theorize with sufficient data !</p>
	<p>I can&#8217;t help but think carving wood in an ancient historic woodland must be one of the ultimate ways to get taken back to a time of old - what could be more in keeping and in tune with what&#8217;s passed there before - a beautiful thing . . .<br />
Regards,<br />
Rod
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 		<title>Comment on The Ghost of Bradley Woods ~ The Black Lady by: Emma Skinner</title>
		<link>http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/the-ghost-of-bradley-woods-the-black-lady#comment-24841</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Rod,

I'm a little torn on where this comment may be best to placed, because it relates to both local folklore, belief in the paranormal and possibly the said Black/White 'Lady of Bradley'!?!?! 

I share a similar standing point to belief as you on the matter of 'belief'... as you said in t'other article:
 
&quot;I was discussing this a few weeks ago and said I would need proof in order to believe, the reply I got was . . .
But you can’t prove there are no ghosts or that those people who’ve seen them are lying or mistaken !
I’ve never understood this argument, it’s much like those who say ‘You cannot prove there isn’t a God’ - of course you can’t . . . It’s impossible to prove a negative !&quot;

For me, the challenge of &quot;if there is a God;Prove it!&quot; can ever be counteracted by &quot;Prove there isn't a God!&quot; - i haven't met anyone yet who has proven either to me!  And i have at times, explored the avenues of belief and theology and have been fortunate in meeting a wide range people with a variety of beliefs...

As you said .... &quot;Surely in a logical world the onus of providing proof falls upon the person making an extraordinary claim ?&quot;  Definately in a scientific world.  But in law, which is similarly a process of logical reasoning, in many legal cases; the burden of proof can fall on either party, it is entirely dependant on the circumstances upon which it has arisen; the nature of the case.  

I'm incredibly wary of people who would seek to convince other people to believe in something, as much as i am wary of people who would seek to challenge someones personal beliefs!  i believe, the only true freedom we may ever truly own is the freedom within our own minds and i think that, ownership cannot be assumed - how many of us are brainwashed as children, by armchair potitician parents?!
  Also, In the words of Bernard Shaw &quot;it is easy, terribly easy, to shake a mans faith... but to do so, is the Devils work&quot;.

&quot;I would rather create my own system than be controlled by anothers&quot; (bit of William Blake now - oh my, Mr Collins you have led my thoughts astray!  ;)

Anyway... back to the Black lady! (sorry for the detour)

I'd been carving for a year or two when i camped in the Bradley/Dixon wood 'area'.  I love the woods; the sanctity of the canopy is more of a home to me, than a cage of bricks and mortar.  Especially broadleaf woodland - oak, ash, birch, hazel, wood anemone.. are in abundance.  During my second nights stay i had a dream. . . in it, i was in the woods and remember feeling sadness and desolation - a woman appeared from around the tree's - we spoke for some time and tho' i cannot recall the words exactly, it was of life, the world and my place in it - she said i should continue carving and sharing my learnings of the wild and that everything would be ok if i carried on.  As she turned away from me, i saw that instead of hair, it was instead strips of birch bark.

I didn't hold any significance to it - i'd already made the decision that carving wood was 'what i would do with my life'.

A couple of years ago i was reading about the Living Wisdom of Tree's - and their interpretive characteristics and associations ie willow is associated with 'the moon' and is said to have feminine qualities... it was then i discovered that The Silver Birch (betula pendulla) had a lot of folklore surrounding it... and is also known as the Lady of the Woods!!   

She's certainly inspired me with 'a few' of my carvings

Always,
Em :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Rod,</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m a little torn on where this comment may be best to placed, because it relates to both local folklore, belief in the paranormal and possibly the said Black/White &#8216;Lady of Bradley&#8217;!?!?! </p>
	<p>I share a similar standing point to belief as you on the matter of &#8216;belief&#8217;&#8230; as you said in t&#8217;other article:</p>
	<p>&#8220;I was discussing this a few weeks ago and said I would need proof in order to believe, the reply I got was . . .<br />
But you can’t prove there are no ghosts or that those people who’ve seen them are lying or mistaken !<br />
I’ve never understood this argument, it’s much like those who say ‘You cannot prove there isn’t a God’ - of course you can’t . . . It’s impossible to prove a negative !&#8221;</p>
	<p>For me, the challenge of &#8220;if there is a God;Prove it!&#8221; can ever be counteracted by &#8220;Prove there isn&#8217;t a God!&#8221; - i haven&#8217;t met anyone yet who has proven either to me!  And i have at times, explored the avenues of belief and theology and have been fortunate in meeting a wide range people with a variety of beliefs&#8230;</p>
	<p>As you said &#8230;. &#8220;Surely in a logical world the onus of providing proof falls upon the person making an extraordinary claim ?&#8221;  Definately in a scientific world.  But in law, which is similarly a process of logical reasoning, in many legal cases; the burden of proof can fall on either party, it is entirely dependant on the circumstances upon which it has arisen; the nature of the case.  </p>
	<p>I&#8217;m incredibly wary of people who would seek to convince other people to believe in something, as much as i am wary of people who would seek to challenge someones personal beliefs!  i believe, the only true freedom we may ever truly own is the freedom within our own minds and i think that, ownership cannot be assumed - how many of us are brainwashed as children, by armchair potitician parents?!<br />
  Also, In the words of Bernard Shaw &#8220;it is easy, terribly easy, to shake a mans faith&#8230; but to do so, is the Devils work&#8221;.</p>
	<p>&#8220;I would rather create my own system than be controlled by anothers&#8221; (bit of William Blake now - oh my, Mr Collins you have led my thoughts astray!  <img src='http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>Anyway&#8230; back to the Black lady! (sorry for the detour)</p>
	<p>I&#8217;d been carving for a year or two when i camped in the Bradley/Dixon wood &#8216;area&#8217;.  I love the woods; the sanctity of the canopy is more of a home to me, than a cage of bricks and mortar.  Especially broadleaf woodland - oak, ash, birch, hazel, wood anemone.. are in abundance.  During my second nights stay i had a dream. . . in it, i was in the woods and remember feeling sadness and desolation - a woman appeared from around the tree&#8217;s - we spoke for some time and tho&#8217; i cannot recall the words exactly, it was of life, the world and my place in it - she said i should continue carving and sharing my learnings of the wild and that everything would be ok if i carried on.  As she turned away from me, i saw that instead of hair, it was instead strips of birch bark.</p>
	<p>I didn&#8217;t hold any significance to it - i&#8217;d already made the decision that carving wood was &#8216;what i would do with my life&#8217;.</p>
	<p>A couple of years ago i was reading about the Living Wisdom of Tree&#8217;s - and their interpretive characteristics and associations ie willow is associated with &#8216;the moon&#8217; and is said to have feminine qualities&#8230; it was then i discovered that The Silver Birch (betula pendulla) had a lot of folklore surrounding it&#8230; and is also known as the Lady of the Woods!!   </p>
	<p>She&#8217;s certainly inspired me with &#8216;a few&#8217; of my carvings</p>
	<p>Always,<br />
Em <img src='http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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 		<title>Comment on The Ghost of Bradley Woods ~ The Black Lady by: Chris Keyworth</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>TH
    not sure about the battle but sounds more like a rendition of the battle of stanford bridge, although years ago i heard a similar tale and payed no note to it...
                             regards
                                     chris..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>TH<br />
    not sure about the battle but sounds more like a rendition of the battle of stanford bridge, although years ago i heard a similar tale and payed no note to it&#8230;<br />
                             regards<br />
                                     chris..
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 		<title>Comment on The Ghost of Bradley Woods ~ The Black Lady by: the historian</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The fields below bradley woods towards grimsby , are the site of the great battle between the traitor Tostig and his norman and scandinavian mercenaries on one side, and Edwin and Morcar, the northern Earls in charge of the English forces, on the other, in May 1066.Tostig's boats were harboured at Grimsby,his camp on the shore while he laid waste the royal domaign in north Lincs. This was in order to get the english to use up their compulsary service, so that when the main attack came at York and Hastings later on, the english would be short of men.The english used thse woods to provide cover on their approach from Lincoln ,and annhilated the foreign forces to the extent that the survivors needed only 19 of the 300 boats they came in to limp away.I have a late saxon mace head (similar to those at the end of the Bayeux tapestry) from the field in front of the wood.There is a case to be made for the ghost story to be about events from this battle , as the woodsman may well hav!
 e been  part of the citizens ordered to go to Lincoln to form an army,and the foreign soldiers could have been fleeing from the field of this battle.Was there any other time when mercenaries were about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The fields below bradley woods towards grimsby , are the site of the great battle between the traitor Tostig and his norman and scandinavian mercenaries on one side, and Edwin and Morcar, the northern Earls in charge of the English forces, on the other, in May 1066.Tostig&#8217;s boats were harboured at Grimsby,his camp on the shore while he laid waste the royal domaign in north Lincs. This was in order to get the english to use up their compulsary service, so that when the main attack came at York and Hastings later on, the english would be short of men.The english used thse woods to provide cover on their approach from Lincoln ,and annhilated the foreign forces to the extent that the survivors needed only 19 of the 300 boats they came in to limp away.I have a late saxon mace head (similar to those at the end of the Bayeux tapestry) from the field in front of the wood.There is a case to be made for the ghost story to be about events from this battle , as the woodsman may well hav!<br />
 e been  part of the citizens ordered to go to Lincoln to form an army,and the foreign soldiers could have been fleeing from the field of this battle.Was there any other time when mercenaries were about?
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 		<title>Comment on The Ghost of Bradley Woods ~ The Black Lady by: Postman Pat</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>H.H 
I dont care where the ghost came from, it scared the hell out of me.

Maybe it was on a walkabout.

I only know of one death in that building and that was long after my sighting.

P.P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>H.H<br />
I dont care where the ghost came from, it scared the hell out of me.</p>
	<p>Maybe it was on a walkabout.</p>
	<p>I only know of one death in that building and that was long after my sighting.</p>
	<p>P.P
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 		<title>Comment on The Ghost of Bradley Woods ~ The Black Lady by: History Hunter</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 16:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Postie, there seems to be a few versions of sightings or knowledge of the ghost/s at the old post office building but one thing I think can be guaranteed is that it isnt a ghost relating to the old churchyard/cemetery of St Mary's. Ghosts tend to retrace and replay things that happened at either great times of sadness or at the time of death, whereas I very much doubt anybody buried in the vicinity would have walked up a set of stairs above the old cemetery. It is very much more likely to be the aforementioned WW1 casualty, of which the names of all the postal workers from grimsby who signed up/died in action are on a wall plaque in the new post office on Victoria Street. Considering there were 18 P.O. workers who died, there is only one known to be buried locally in Scartho Road Cemetery for definite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Postie, there seems to be a few versions of sightings or knowledge of the ghost/s at the old post office building but one thing I think can be guaranteed is that it isnt a ghost relating to the old churchyard/cemetery of St Mary&#8217;s. Ghosts tend to retrace and replay things that happened at either great times of sadness or at the time of death, whereas I very much doubt anybody buried in the vicinity would have walked up a set of stairs above the old cemetery. It is very much more likely to be the aforementioned WW1 casualty, of which the names of all the postal workers from grimsby who signed up/died in action are on a wall plaque in the new post office on Victoria Street. Considering there were 18 P.O. workers who died, there is only one known to be buried locally in Scartho Road Cemetery for definite.
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 		<title>Comment on The Ghost of Bradley Woods ~ The Black Lady by: Rod</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 15:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>PP,
I'm pretty sure this rings a bell with me - interesting that Minnie has also heard of it - anybody know anything else ?
thanks and regards
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>PP,<br />
I&#8217;m pretty sure this rings a bell with me - interesting that Minnie has also heard of it - anybody know anything else ?<br />
thanks and regards<br />
Rod
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 		<title>Comment on The Ghost of Bradley Woods ~ The Black Lady by: minnie</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Have only just got round to reading the Bradley woods ghost that started this thread as well. Again I have been told a slightly different story (its easy to see how these tales change over the years when you look at all the different versions)
As it was told to me the story comes from the time of the crusades and it was that a wife had child whilst her husband was away  fighting but that she died in childbirth and the child was raised by others. The child died some time later but they didnt share a grave and that this is the shade of the lady searching for her child. I think there have been a couple of bits in the telegraph about people seeing her certainly within the last five years or so</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Have only just got round to reading the Bradley woods ghost that started this thread as well. Again I have been told a slightly different story (its easy to see how these tales change over the years when you look at all the different versions)<br />
As it was told to me the story comes from the time of the crusades and it was that a wife had child whilst her husband was away  fighting but that she died in childbirth and the child was raised by others. The child died some time later but they didnt share a grave and that this is the shade of the lady searching for her child. I think there have been a couple of bits in the telegraph about people seeing her certainly within the last five years or so
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