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 		<title>Comment on Temple Bruer ~ Inside the Knights Templar Preceptory by: Postman Pat</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Rob

Temple Bruer

Computer-generated animation and images of Temple Bruer

Courtesy of Lincs Heritage

http://www.lincsheritage.org/education/temple_bruer/cgi/index.php

Regards 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Rob</p>
	<p>Temple Bruer</p>
	<p>Computer-generated animation and images of Temple Bruer</p>
	<p>Courtesy of Lincs Heritage</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.lincsheritage.org/education/temple_bruer/cgi/index.php' rel='nofollow'>http://www.lincsheritage.org/education/temple_bruer/cgi/index.php</a></p>
	<p>Regards </p>
	<p>P.P
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 		<title>Comment on Temple Bruer ~ Inside the Knights Templar Preceptory by: Rod</title>
		<link>http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/temple-bruer-inside-the-knight-templar-preceptary#comment-22278</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 16:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>AM,
thanks for that, much appreciated - would be interesting to know exactly what's what with the chair.
Best 
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>AM,<br />
thanks for that, much appreciated - would be interesting to know exactly what&#8217;s what with the chair.<br />
Best<br />
Rod
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 		<title>Comment on Temple Bruer ~ Inside the Knights Templar Preceptory by: angry_mutant</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 12:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>On my first visit to Temple Bruer (quite a few years ago now) I am sure that I remember an information board still being displayed explaining that there had been an &quot;Artist in Residence&quot; for a season within the previous couple of years. Hence the drawer sculpture and the chair. Can't remember much else, but the artist might have been a Japanese lady. I'll have a look around the Arts Council and so forth and see if I can turn anything up.

And I'll second the praise above for Simon's book. Well worth a trip to Amazon and shelling out some of your hard-earned, if you haven't already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>On my first visit to Temple Bruer (quite a few years ago now) I am sure that I remember an information board still being displayed explaining that there had been an &#8220;Artist in Residence&#8221; for a season within the previous couple of years. Hence the drawer sculpture and the chair. Can&#8217;t remember much else, but the artist might have been a Japanese lady. I&#8217;ll have a look around the Arts Council and so forth and see if I can turn anything up.</p>
	<p>And I&#8217;ll second the praise above for Simon&#8217;s book. Well worth a trip to Amazon and shelling out some of your hard-earned, if you haven&#8217;t already.
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 		<title>Comment on Temple Bruer ~ Inside the Knights Templar Preceptory by: Rod</title>
		<link>http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/temple-bruer-inside-the-knight-templar-preceptary#comment-20078</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 05:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sochin,
thanks for leavig a comment and welcome to the site.
The chiar is indeed spooky, it's certainly more of an art installation than historic set dressing.
It looks almost as though the director of a moody art house film put it there as part of aa cryptic scene in a film.

I too would beinterested to hear more of it
Kind regards,
Rodrigo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sochin,<br />
thanks for leavig a comment and welcome to the site.<br />
The chiar is indeed spooky, it&#8217;s certainly more of an art installation than historic set dressing.<br />
It looks almost as though the director of a moody art house film put it there as part of aa cryptic scene in a film.</p>
	<p>I too would beinterested to hear more of it<br />
Kind regards,<br />
Rodrigo
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 		<title>Comment on Temple Bruer ~ Inside the Knights Templar Preceptory by: sochin101</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 05:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Rodrigo!

I visited Temple Bruer just the other day and enjoyed it greatly. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Now, what’s with that strangely discomforting chair on the second floor? Surely you (or your attendant band of history-wizards) know why it’s up there?

Apparently there’s a sculpture nearby made up of drawers, and the chair has a drawer-front appearance.
Is there a link? Is there? Hmmmm?

Caveat: I didn’t see the sculpture myself (heard about it from a friend), so I don’t know how accurate that information is.

Cheers

sochin101 esq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Rodrigo!</p>
	<p>I visited Temple Bruer just the other day and enjoyed it greatly. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.</p>
	<p>Now, what’s with that strangely discomforting chair on the second floor? Surely you (or your attendant band of history-wizards) know why it’s up there?</p>
	<p>Apparently there’s a sculpture nearby made up of drawers, and the chair has a drawer-front appearance.<br />
Is there a link? Is there? Hmmmm?</p>
	<p>Caveat: I didn’t see the sculpture myself (heard about it from a friend), so I don’t know how accurate that information is.</p>
	<p>Cheers</p>
	<p>sochin101 esq.
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 		<title>Comment on Temple Bruer ~ Inside the Knights Templar Preceptory by: Rod</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 08:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Eresby,
thanks for that, much appreciated and welcome to the site.
It's a fantastic place and if anybody's thinking of going then the Heritage Day would be perfect
Best 
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Eresby,<br />
thanks for that, much appreciated and welcome to the site.<br />
It&#8217;s a fantastic place and if anybody&#8217;s thinking of going then the Heritage Day would be perfect<br />
Best<br />
Rod
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 		<title>Comment on Temple Bruer ~ Inside the Knights Templar Preceptory by: Eresbyjack</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 19:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I plan to visit here on the 19th or 20th of March 2011 as Lincs heritage have an open day here, but the paper &quot;Whats on in Lincolnshire&quot; says Saturday the 19th March 2011 and the Lincs heritage web site states its Sunday the 20th March 2011 so will have to tel them on 01529 461 499 to find out which day is correct, smashing photo's m8 and good write up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I plan to visit here on the 19th or 20th of March 2011 as Lincs heritage have an open day here, but the paper &#8220;Whats on in Lincolnshire&#8221; says Saturday the 19th March 2011 and the Lincs heritage web site states its Sunday the 20th March 2011 so will have to tel them on 01529 461 499 to find out which day is correct, smashing photo&#8217;s m8 and good write up.
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 		<title>Comment on Temple Bruer ~ Inside the Knights Templar Preceptory by: Rod</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 19:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>R&amp;#38;A,
thanks for the comment and pleased you enjoyed your visit there, it's truly a magical place.
I've been a couple of times and fully intend to return myself
All the best 
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>R&amp;A,<br />
thanks for the comment and pleased you enjoyed your visit there, it&#8217;s truly a magical place.<br />
I&#8217;ve been a couple of times and fully intend to return myself<br />
All the best<br />
Rod
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 		<title>Comment on Temple Bruer ~ Inside the Knights Templar Preceptory by: Rosi &#38; Ali</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hallo Rod
We went to Temple Bruer today in a round about way and passed through several pretty stone built villages on the way. 
What a magic place! and the tower was open! I am well impressed with the care taken of the building and the lovely surroundings. We were greeted by two chocolate dogs - gorgeous.
We'll go back on a sunny day with friends.
Really smashing. And, of course, so much more interesting after reading about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hallo Rod<br />
We went to Temple Bruer today in a round about way and passed through several pretty stone built villages on the way.<br />
What a magic place! and the tower was open! I am well impressed with the care taken of the building and the lovely surroundings. We were greeted by two chocolate dogs - gorgeous.<br />
We&#8217;ll go back on a sunny day with friends.<br />
Really smashing. And, of course, so much more interesting after reading about it.
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 		<title>Comment on Temple Bruer ~ Inside the Knights Templar Preceptory by: Kate</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>There is still much to be written on this subject - check out a book by Frederick Apthorp Paley &quot;A Manual of Gothic mouldings&quot;; you can download it from google books if you cannot find a real copy.

 It may possibly be one of the most boring books you have looked at unless you are a stonemason, but it looks at the styles and development of mouldings (as you have said Jolland, &quot;window inside edges&quot;) and tries to trace their origins - and even the original architect (as a master mason who had risen to the very top of his trade) in some cases, although this is much harder to do - many masters copied from places they had seen or their original master and not all master masons' (architects) names are known in the UK.

I would also recommend &quot;A History of Architecture - on the comparative method&quot; by Sir Bannister Fletcher for students of old stonework; this will give you a good insight into styles and dating of stonework. If you cannot find a hard copy - I replaced mine (9th reprint from 1931 - the original dates from 1896) from ebay after my first copy was stolen- it can be found here
 http://www.archive.org/details/historyofarchite00fletuoft

In Germany the training is the usual 7 years (similar to a university student studying to Masters Level degree in the UK) to train as a steinmetz (stonemason for non German speakers)- and takes in more of the history of the craft; here in the UK and also in France, you may go to college to study stonemasonry and carving, but you learn most on the job and you learn what you wish to learn as you go along; only those destined to become masters and architects of the mysteries of their craft will care to learn much these days, the rest remain &quot;stone cutters&quot;. Because I still love the subject even though I no longer work as a stone carver (you have to learn to be a stonemason first!), my learning continues (although Lincolnshire limestones can be hateful compared to the softer Portland and French limestones that I learnt to work on and I still use hand tools, rather than airtools, which get eaten by the very hard local stone here).

 It would be interesting to find out if any German Masters came to Britain to train or work as I have seen definite elements of some of the carving styles used by a couple of the German masters also used in France (brain not working well enough to remember who and where!), but nothing directly identifiable as such in the English limestone cathedrals.

British (Master Mason) Architects came to the fore in the later Middle Ages, when you had those such as Henry de Yevele (Henry of Yeovil (Somerset) or Yeavely (Derbyshire) or even somewhere in Surrey - nobody is quite  - bear in mind that masons were one of the few trades that moved about quite freely during the Medieval period) who became master of the King's works at Westminster Palace in the C14th and worked on the building of the abbey there as well as other cathedrals and castles.

Temple Bruer is a slightly confusing place these days to study as much of the original masonry has been re-used in rebuilding (possibly during the time of the abbey as well as later) &amp;#38; restoration attempts (more recent) - viz the mouldings which are mostly Romanesque (Norman, C11th-13th) with one or two examples of Early English Gothic (C13th) shown on the lower part of the west wall in your photo, Rod. Given the springers for vaulted ceilings seen on the photo of the top floor and the part of the ceiling seen on the arcading photo (these would have been over &quot;sedillas&quot; (seats) around the walls and possibly part of a chapter or council room) this would have been a very richly decorated building at one time.

NB one more thing; some Templar students believe that the Order of Knights Templar trained their own masons rather than employing outsiders. This would mean in theory that all the geometry in planning their buildings was sacred according to their beliefs...

Best wishes,
Kate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There is still much to be written on this subject - check out a book by Frederick Apthorp Paley &#8220;A Manual of Gothic mouldings&#8221;; you can download it from google books if you cannot find a real copy.</p>
	<p> It may possibly be one of the most boring books you have looked at unless you are a stonemason, but it looks at the styles and development of mouldings (as you have said Jolland, &#8220;window inside edges&#8221;) and tries to trace their origins - and even the original architect (as a master mason who had risen to the very top of his trade) in some cases, although this is much harder to do - many masters copied from places they had seen or their original master and not all master masons&#8217; (architects) names are known in the UK.</p>
	<p>I would also recommend &#8220;A History of Architecture - on the comparative method&#8221; by Sir Bannister Fletcher for students of old stonework; this will give you a good insight into styles and dating of stonework. If you cannot find a hard copy - I replaced mine (9th reprint from 1931 - the original dates from 1896) from ebay after my first copy was stolen- it can be found here<br />
 <a href='http://www.archive.org/details/historyofarchite00fletuoft' rel='nofollow'>http://www.archive.org/details/historyofarchite00fletuoft</a></p>
	<p>In Germany the training is the usual 7 years (similar to a university student studying to Masters Level degree in the UK) to train as a steinmetz (stonemason for non German speakers)- and takes in more of the history of the craft; here in the UK and also in France, you may go to college to study stonemasonry and carving, but you learn most on the job and you learn what you wish to learn as you go along; only those destined to become masters and architects of the mysteries of their craft will care to learn much these days, the rest remain &#8220;stone cutters&#8221;. Because I still love the subject even though I no longer work as a stone carver (you have to learn to be a stonemason first!), my learning continues (although Lincolnshire limestones can be hateful compared to the softer Portland and French limestones that I learnt to work on and I still use hand tools, rather than airtools, which get eaten by the very hard local stone here).</p>
	<p> It would be interesting to find out if any German Masters came to Britain to train or work as I have seen definite elements of some of the carving styles used by a couple of the German masters also used in France (brain not working well enough to remember who and where!), but nothing directly identifiable as such in the English limestone cathedrals.</p>
	<p>British (Master Mason) Architects came to the fore in the later Middle Ages, when you had those such as Henry de Yevele (Henry of Yeovil (Somerset) or Yeavely (Derbyshire) or even somewhere in Surrey - nobody is quite  - bear in mind that masons were one of the few trades that moved about quite freely during the Medieval period) who became master of the King&#8217;s works at Westminster Palace in the C14th and worked on the building of the abbey there as well as other cathedrals and castles.</p>
	<p>Temple Bruer is a slightly confusing place these days to study as much of the original masonry has been re-used in rebuilding (possibly during the time of the abbey as well as later) &amp; restoration attempts (more recent) - viz the mouldings which are mostly Romanesque (Norman, C11th-13th) with one or two examples of Early English Gothic (C13th) shown on the lower part of the west wall in your photo, Rod. Given the springers for vaulted ceilings seen on the photo of the top floor and the part of the ceiling seen on the arcading photo (these would have been over &#8220;sedillas&#8221; (seats) around the walls and possibly part of a chapter or council room) this would have been a very richly decorated building at one time.</p>
	<p>NB one more thing; some Templar students believe that the Order of Knights Templar trained their own masons rather than employing outsiders. This would mean in theory that all the geometry in planning their buildings was sacred according to their beliefs&#8230;</p>
	<p>Best wishes,<br />
Kate
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