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 		<title>Comment on Steam Trains in Grimsby ~ When Did the Railway Arrive ? by: Rod</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 18:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Pam,
wonderful comment - many thanks indeed and pleased you're finding a few bits of interest - there's tons of stuff so have a good delve around.
I think you've probably seen all the video there is on the site - I keep meaning to do more and perhaps I need to get on top of that a bit more
Kind regards,
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pam,<br />
wonderful comment - many thanks indeed and pleased you&#8217;re finding a few bits of interest - there&#8217;s tons of stuff so have a good delve around.<br />
I think you&#8217;ve probably seen all the video there is on the site - I keep meaning to do more and perhaps I need to get on top of that a bit more<br />
Kind regards,<br />
Rod
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 		<title>Comment on Steam Trains in Grimsby ~ When Did the Railway Arrive ? by: pam</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 16:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>sorry Rod your theory of a reversed image doesn't hold - the bridge would then be showing behind St James not hiding it- if it would be seen at all!  It is a view i am very familiar with - tho i never went on the Louth or Lincoln lines.
More likely to be poetic license - a combination of artistic composition (something you obviously appreciate with your wonderful photographs and video (s? only come across the lancaster memorial tree once so far Are there more? would love to see some for the earthworks you visit - very helpful for the less knowledgeable of us happy visitors) and ignorance of Grimsby and its folks - the presumption being that the first train in being more important than the first train out!   The train out carrying carrying our goods to distant markets would have been more to the liking and profitability of  the burghers i would have thought.  And how many of the readers would have known? And of course it was done more as an advertorial for the magnificence and munificence of the railway company in bringing progress and civilisation to this strange backwater (as we are still often seen as today - once a Grimbarian lol so yes still a we even though i haven't lived there in a decade).  Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
just goes to show how important it can be not to accept labels at face value eh?
Loving the site and it's contributers  more and more as i delve through Many many thanks again to all of you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>sorry Rod your theory of a reversed image doesn&#8217;t hold - the bridge would then be showing behind St James not hiding it- if it would be seen at all!  It is a view i am very familiar with - tho i never went on the Louth or Lincoln lines.<br />
More likely to be poetic license - a combination of artistic composition (something you obviously appreciate with your wonderful photographs and video (s? only come across the lancaster memorial tree once so far Are there more? would love to see some for the earthworks you visit - very helpful for the less knowledgeable of us happy visitors) and ignorance of Grimsby and its folks - the presumption being that the first train in being more important than the first train out!   The train out carrying carrying our goods to distant markets would have been more to the liking and profitability of  the burghers i would have thought.  And how many of the readers would have known? And of course it was done more as an advertorial for the magnificence and munificence of the railway company in bringing progress and civilisation to this strange backwater (as we are still often seen as today - once a Grimbarian lol so yes still a we even though i haven&#8217;t lived there in a decade).  Plus ça change, plus c&#8217;est la même chose<br />
just goes to show how important it can be not to accept labels at face value eh?<br />
Loving the site and it&#8217;s contributers  more and more as i delve through Many many thanks again to all of you
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 		<title>Comment on Steam Trains in Grimsby ~ When Did the Railway Arrive ? by: Rod</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 05:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Soupie,
thanks for this information, really appreciated - especially as I wasn't aware of it. I'll take a look when I next go nto town.
Fascinating stuff
Regards,
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Soupie,<br />
thanks for this information, really appreciated - especially as I wasn&#8217;t aware of it. I&#8217;ll take a look when I next go nto town.<br />
Fascinating stuff<br />
Regards,<br />
Rod
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 		<title>Comment on Steam Trains in Grimsby ~ When Did the Railway Arrive ? by: Soupdragon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Rod, 

As you've no doubt seen, Grimsby Town station has just opened its new footbridge (with lifts) at the Garden Street end after a long and tortuous building program. Apparently the original design was thrown out because it didnt fit it with the architectural theme of the station!!

This all produced a lot of comment on one of the railway forums i belong to and i was delighted to see that one of the other members had posted the link to the original planning application for the bridge. 

More interestingly included with the planning application is the original Act of Parliament (1845) for the &quot;.......making of a railway from the Parish of Bole in the County of Nottingham, near to the Town and Port of Gainsborough, to the Town and Port of Great Grimsby in the Parts of Lindsey in the County of Lincoln, with branches to the District or Place called New Holland, on the South side of the River Humber....&quot;

Very interesting reading indeed, including a list of the route the line would take to New Holland. 



Soupie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Rod, </p>
	<p>As you&#8217;ve no doubt seen, Grimsby Town station has just opened its new footbridge (with lifts) at the Garden Street end after a long and tortuous building program. Apparently the original design was thrown out because it didnt fit it with the architectural theme of the station!!</p>
	<p>This all produced a lot of comment on one of the railway forums i belong to and i was delighted to see that one of the other members had posted the link to the original planning application for the bridge. </p>
	<p>More interestingly included with the planning application is the original Act of Parliament (1845) for the &#8220;&#8230;&#8230;.making of a railway from the Parish of Bole in the County of Nottingham, near to the Town and Port of Gainsborough, to the Town and Port of Great Grimsby in the Parts of Lindsey in the County of Lincoln, with branches to the District or Place called New Holland, on the South side of the River Humber&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Very interesting reading indeed, including a list of the route the line would take to New Holland. </p>
	<p>Soupie
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 		<title>Comment on Steam Trains in Grimsby ~ When Did the Railway Arrive ? by: Rod</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 06:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks Gordon - when I'm there abouts I'll take a look and some pictures hopefully
Cheers
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks Gordon - when I&#8217;m there abouts I&#8217;ll take a look and some pictures hopefully<br />
Cheers<br />
Rod
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 		<title>Comment on Steam Trains in Grimsby ~ When Did the Railway Arrive ? by: Gordon Luck</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 21:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Comparing now against the 1906 map that I have we are talking about immediately downstream of where Boulevard Avenue crosses the Freshney, with Haven Avenue to the right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Comparing now against the 1906 map that I have we are talking about immediately downstream of where Boulevard Avenue crosses the Freshney, with Haven Avenue to the right.
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 		<title>Comment on Steam Trains in Grimsby ~ When Did the Railway Arrive ? by: Rod</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 17:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Gordon, 
I didn't know that, where abouts are the pillars for the Freshney ?
I've seen some H beams near the St Michaels church area and always wondered what they were - could they be related ?
I always presumed they were probably once part of a bridge
Cheers
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Gordon,<br />
I didn&#8217;t know that, where abouts are the pillars for the Freshney ?<br />
I&#8217;ve seen some H beams near the St Michaels church area and always wondered what they were - could they be related ?<br />
I always presumed they were probably once part of a bridge<br />
Cheers<br />
Rod
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Did you know that Boulevard Avenue is built on the course of the old route of the railway onto the west end of Alexandra Dock? There were crossing gates and signal boxes where the line crossed Macauley Street and Armstrong Street. I'm told, but haven't seen them myself, that the pillars for the bridge over the River Freshney are still visible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Did you know that Boulevard Avenue is built on the course of the old route of the railway onto the west end of Alexandra Dock? There were crossing gates and signal boxes where the line crossed Macauley Street and Armstrong Street. I&#8217;m told, but haven&#8217;t seen them myself, that the pillars for the bridge over the River Freshney are still visible.
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 		<title>Comment on Steam Trains in Grimsby ~ When Did the Railway Arrive ? by: Linda &#38; Peter</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 17:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Apparently the Manchester Sheffield and Lincoln Railway suffered the popular nickname of  &quot;Mucky Slow and Lazy&quot; (some say Mucky Slow and Late).</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Peter Mullins has very kindly sent in this picture, we are very appreciative and had no idea it was there

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&quot;A stone marking the boundary of railway property at the Cartergate level crossing, which is the only place where the Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire Railway name survives; the company invested in developing both the Grimsby Docks and the Cleethorpes front and was the main catalyst for the huge growth in trade and trippers which followed.&quot; Peter Mullins
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Peter Mullins has very kindly sent in this picture, we are very appreciative and had no idea it was there</p>
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&#8220;A stone marking the boundary of railway property at the Cartergate level crossing, which is the only place where the Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire Railway name survives; the company invested in developing both the Grimsby Docks and the Cleethorpes front and was the main catalyst for the huge growth in trade and trippers which followed.&#8221; Peter Mullins
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