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 		<title>Comment on St James Church in Grimsby ~ A Look at the History by: Rod</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 18:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Lancelot,
thanks for the comment and welcome to the site, your comment was probably awaiting moderation.
Thanks and regards,
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Lancelot,<br />
thanks for the comment and welcome to the site, your comment was probably awaiting moderation.<br />
Thanks and regards,<br />
Rod
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 		<title>Comment on St James Church in Grimsby ~ A Look at the History by: Lancelot Taylor</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 11:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I did submit a brief observation, but it appears to have disappeared!
Fine photographs and research</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I did submit a brief observation, but it appears to have disappeared!<br />
Fine photographs and research
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 		<title>Comment on St James Church in Grimsby ~ A Look at the History by: Rod</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 13:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>St James and Post Mill Picture:


This picture is mid Victorian in date and shows St James Church as well as a Grimsby Post Mill.
This mill was, I believe, at Cartergate and was ultimately sold and rebuilt in Tetney !

&lt;center&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.rodcollins.com/images/grimsby-mill.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;Grimsby Post Mill Cartergate&quot;/&gt;&lt;/center&gt;

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	<p>This picture is mid Victorian in date and shows St James Church as well as a Grimsby Post Mill.<br />
This mill was, I believe, at Cartergate and was ultimately sold and rebuilt in Tetney !</p>
	<p><center><img src="http://www.rodcollins.com/images/grimsby-mill.jpg" alt="Grimsby Post Mill Cartergate"/></center>
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 		<title>Comment on St James Church in Grimsby ~ A Look at the History by: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/st-james-church-in-grimsby-a-look-at-the-history#comment-17395</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Rod

You may well be right, but as the burial Cordeaux talks of was made under St James', both churches may have been sited on barrows perhaps (they were often built in close proximity), and (if there was one) the one under St Mary's destroyed during building in Medieval times??? - We only know about this find because Cordeaux wrote about it fleetingly (I'm going to write a comment about other possible barrows in Grimsby on your post about Grimsby's origins in a little while BTW...)

 This particular burial could perhaps be a case not of a barrow being ploughed out like many were in our area, but rather, the surrounding soil levels rising over time due to silt deposition during the higher sea &amp;#38; river levels during the Roman period, sand blows from the coast (these have been recorded as covering whole villages in the Medieval period!) and later habitation obscuring and covering it over time. Either way the burial ended up being covered quite deeply over the centuries; burials from the early Bronze Age period were usually dug quite shallowly, or in the case of tumuli, sometimes the body was placed at ground level, often on a pebbled or stone surface sometimes called a &quot;dancing floor&quot;, then the burial chamber of wood or stone and the barrow mound was built over it.

Interment of the body in a wooden chamber or hollowed log coffin/chest is known from other British (&amp;#38; European) Tumuli and the wet clay soil of the area would have preserved the wood very well over time. Usually the soils in the UK are pretty merciless when it comes to organic remains which is why so few are found. The crouched or bent double position of the body is mostly found in late Neolithic &amp;#38; early Bronze Age inhumations.

Kate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Rod</p>
	<p>You may well be right, but as the burial Cordeaux talks of was made under St James&#8217;, both churches may have been sited on barrows perhaps (they were often built in close proximity), and (if there was one) the one under St Mary&#8217;s destroyed during building in Medieval times??? - We only know about this find because Cordeaux wrote about it fleetingly (I&#8217;m going to write a comment about other possible barrows in Grimsby on your post about Grimsby&#8217;s origins in a little while BTW&#8230;)</p>
	<p> This particular burial could perhaps be a case not of a barrow being ploughed out like many were in our area, but rather, the surrounding soil levels rising over time due to silt deposition during the higher sea &amp; river levels during the Roman period, sand blows from the coast (these have been recorded as covering whole villages in the Medieval period!) and later habitation obscuring and covering it over time. Either way the burial ended up being covered quite deeply over the centuries; burials from the early Bronze Age period were usually dug quite shallowly, or in the case of tumuli, sometimes the body was placed at ground level, often on a pebbled or stone surface sometimes called a &#8220;dancing floor&#8221;, then the burial chamber of wood or stone and the barrow mound was built over it.</p>
	<p>Interment of the body in a wooden chamber or hollowed log coffin/chest is known from other British (&amp; European) Tumuli and the wet clay soil of the area would have preserved the wood very well over time. Usually the soils in the UK are pretty merciless when it comes to organic remains which is why so few are found. The crouched or bent double position of the body is mostly found in late Neolithic &amp; early Bronze Age inhumations.</p>
	<p>Kate
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 		<title>Comment on St James Church in Grimsby ~ A Look at the History by: Rod</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Kate
St Mary's was said to be the grander of the two churches so it seems likely it would have been the 'primary' one initially. So for me of the two it would have been the one most likely to be sat on a pre-Christian site.
Best 
Rod
PS - thanks for not pasting too much text as it causes huge problems</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Kate<br />
St Mary&#8217;s was said to be the grander of the two churches so it seems likely it would have been the &#8216;primary&#8217; one initially. So for me of the two it would have been the one most likely to be sat on a pre-Christian site.<br />
Best<br />
Rod<br />
PS - thanks for not pasting too much text as it causes huge problems
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 		<title>Comment on St James Church in Grimsby ~ A Look at the History by: Kate</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thought this might be of interest, I found it recently… I have tried to reduce as much as possible, rather than post the full text.

Taken from Lincolnshire Notes and Queries Vol II, 1890-1891, P17-18

A letter to the editor from John Cordeaux discussing an interment exposed by the sea at Kilnsea of a skeleton in a wooden chest hollowed out of an oak tree trunk– the body was doubled up so that the knees were bent close to the chin: a Bronze Age axe head was found nearby (it may not have dated from the time of the burial though). 

“Ancient British Interment
…When the foundations of the enlarged chancel of St James’ Church, Grimsby, were dug, a similar coffin or chest was exposed, partly within and partly without the wall. I remember it was conjectured at the time, from the comparatively small interior, that it had been used for the interment of a child. It is more probable, however that it had once contained an adult packed away in the manner indicated at Kilnsea.”

The full text is available at archive dot org

Sadly there is no indication as to what might have happened to this find and the technology to preserve the wood was not available then. However, does this perhaps mean that the earlier St Mary's church was sited where once a much earlier barrow burial had been located? Reminds me of the early Bronze Age Gristhorpe Man burial now at Scarborough Rotunda Museum.

Kate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thought this might be of interest, I found it recently… I have tried to reduce as much as possible, rather than post the full text.</p>
	<p>Taken from Lincolnshire Notes and Queries Vol II, 1890-1891, P17-18</p>
	<p>A letter to the editor from John Cordeaux discussing an interment exposed by the sea at Kilnsea of a skeleton in a wooden chest hollowed out of an oak tree trunk– the body was doubled up so that the knees were bent close to the chin: a Bronze Age axe head was found nearby (it may not have dated from the time of the burial though). </p>
	<p>“Ancient British Interment<br />
…When the foundations of the enlarged chancel of St James’ Church, Grimsby, were dug, a similar coffin or chest was exposed, partly within and partly without the wall. I remember it was conjectured at the time, from the comparatively small interior, that it had been used for the interment of a child. It is more probable, however that it had once contained an adult packed away in the manner indicated at Kilnsea.”</p>
	<p>The full text is available at archive dot org</p>
	<p>Sadly there is no indication as to what might have happened to this find and the technology to preserve the wood was not available then. However, does this perhaps mean that the earlier St Mary&#8217;s church was sited where once a much earlier barrow burial had been located? Reminds me of the early Bronze Age Gristhorpe Man burial now at Scarborough Rotunda Museum.</p>
	<p>Kate
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 		<title>Comment on St James Church in Grimsby ~ A Look at the History by: Rod</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Jo,
if you click on my name above this you'll find my email address
Best 
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Jo,<br />
if you click on my name above this you&#8217;ll find my email address<br />
Best<br />
Rod
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 		<title>Comment on St James Church in Grimsby ~ A Look at the History by: Jo Middleton</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Rod

I'm working on a brief history of the church/minster - could we meet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Rod</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m working on a brief history of the church/minster - could we meet?
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 		<title>Comment on St James Church in Grimsby ~ A Look at the History by: Rod</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 06:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>MM
I don't mind at all in fact I'm honoured - many thanks, and for the kind words.
Welcome to the site and I hope you'll return
All the best 
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>MM<br />
I don&#8217;t mind at all in fact I&#8217;m honoured - many thanks, and for the kind words.<br />
Welcome to the site and I hope you&#8217;ll return<br />
All the best<br />
Rod
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 		<title>Comment on St James Church in Grimsby ~ A Look at the History by: Minster Minstrel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 22:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I hope that you don't mind, but I have placed a link to this page on the Grimsby Minster Facebook site.  Let me know if you would like the link taken down, and I will gladly do so.

Lovely photographs - thanks for posting them!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Grimsby-United-Kingdom/Grimsby-Minster/123913940959903?ref=ts&amp;#38;__a=9&amp;#38;v=wall#!/pages/Grimsby-United-Kingdom/Grimsby-Minster/123913940959903?ref=ts&amp;#38;ajaxpipe=1&amp;#38;__a=5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I hope that you don&#8217;t mind, but I have placed a link to this page on the Grimsby Minster Facebook site.  Let me know if you would like the link taken down, and I will gladly do so.</p>
	<p>Lovely photographs - thanks for posting them!</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.facebook.com/pages/Grimsby-United-Kingdom/Grimsby-Minster/123913940959903?ref=ts&amp;__a=9&amp;v=wall#!/pages/Grimsby-United-Kingdom/Grimsby-Minster/123913940959903?ref=ts&amp;ajaxpipe=1&amp;__a=5' rel='nofollow'>http://www.facebook.com/pages/Grimsby-United-Kingdom/Grimsby-Minster/123913940959903?ref=ts&amp;__a=9&amp;v=wall#!/pages/Grimsby-United-Kingdom/Grimsby-Minster/123913940959903?ref=ts&amp;ajaxpipe=1&amp;__a=5</a>
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