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Ramster Family name A revelation to Me

Christmas is a time for families we al know that and this is being blogged live from my small family event.
I have just been shown 2 photographs of people I have never met or known, or indeed seen pictures of
One is my grandfather and the other the man from whom my middle name comes - I really should know more about these people !

My middle name is Dean although I never really knew why or indeed wondered enough to enquire properly but this christmas eve I was shown an old photograph that had been sent to my parents.
Who’s that said I being shown the picture below.
A relative of my father (so presumably me as well) from whom I take my middle name !


Percival Dean Ramster

Percival Dean Ramster

He was a gunner in the Royal Artillery during World War I and sadly died of natural causes in only his early 40s. It feels very strange looking upon him now and I can’t help thinking I should know more of my families past or indeed what they’re doing now - what’s left of them of course !


Albert Collins JW Ramster

Albert Collins My Grandfather
3rd from left in light coat

The above was another revelation my grandfather, on my father’s side, whom I never met and this is only the second time I’ve seen a picture of him.
He too lived in Grimsby and this picture shows him at work on Grimsby Fish Docks working at the family fish merchants which he ran.

All very strange, especially at this time of year - strange feelings and thoughts of family etc
Anyhoo, I’d better head off as we are about to exchange presents
Merry Yule to one and all
Rod
Scroll down for lots more information and pictures

See also a century old Ramster artefact S. Ramster Fish Bass

76 Comments »

  1. Rod said,

    January 20, 2009 @ 12:49 pm

    Update: I’ve found a 3rd cousin I think :)

    The J.W. Ramster fish business seen above is the connection with the Collins family and what prompted the visit to this site by a distant cousin Johnny.

    Info supplied by John William Ramster IV
    the Ramsters came to Grimsby as fishing folk out of Brixham in the West Country and before that were Dutch - we think the name is Dutch in origin

    If aybody has any more information please feel free to leave a comment or contact us
    Thanks in advance
    Rod

  2. History Hunter said,

    March 24, 2010 @ 2:24 pm

    About 12 years back i was friends (nothing more) with a local girl called Michaela Ramster. I know she got married but i dont know what her surname changed to.

  3. Peter Mullins said,

    March 24, 2010 @ 4:34 pm

    One of my favourite tools at the moment is nationaltrustnames.org.uk which will deliver a distribution pattern for surnames in the 1881 census. I’ve been able to confirm the Lincolnshire roots of a variety of names (Blades, Capes, Leggett, Rigall), although this can be difficult to work out as a surname widespread in the DN or PE postcodes might be a name common only in the lIncolnshir eparts of that postcode area or not.

    Anyway - I’ve put in Ramster. It only shows up in any quantity in four postcode areas in 1881. HU and DN are the most frequent. So it looks like a name with a Yorkshire origin. The other places it shows up are in the Birmingham and Torquay postcodes - so the theory that it has its very limited English origin is in Brixham but it moved up to Grimsby might just work as well as long as it spread across to Hull as well and this final branch proved the most prolific.

  4. Rod said,

    March 24, 2010 @ 5:47 pm

    Very interesting
    I should really like to have a better idea of my family tree, I know some work has been done but sadly I don’t think it yielded anything of magnitude and also came to a dead end after a couple of hundred years.

    I should like a connection to something juicy ideally - either somebody of great eminence or extremely disreputable !
    Best
    Rod

  5. Amiguru said,

    March 24, 2010 @ 8:01 pm

    Peter,

    Yes its one of my genealogical mainstays; I’ve been using it for about 4 years now since it was originally developed by one of the uni’s. If you go deeper into the statistical section it can reveal lots of amazing stuff. I did a search on a certain Mr. C’s name about 3 months ago and he has southern roots, but don’t mention it!

    By the way, did you spot the Gt. Coates update re John de Wynesflode? I mention it as you said you are very busy at the present.

    Regards,
    Neville

  6. Amiguru said,

    March 24, 2010 @ 8:21 pm

    Rod,

    Don’t know if you have checked the CWGC but there is only one death recorded for the Ramster surname during the 1st WW:

    RAMSTER, ARTHUR
    Initials: A
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Trimmer
    Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Reserve
    Unit Text: H.M. Trawler “Othello II.”
    Age: 21
    Date of Death: 31/10/1915
    Service No: 2246TS
    Additional information: Son of William and Mary Elizabeth Ramster, of Hull.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: 14.
    Memorial: CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL

    …..and three in the 2nd. WW:

    RAMSTER, CHARLES ALBERT
    Initials: C A
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Petty Officer
    Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
    Unit Text: H.M.S. Arethusa
    Age: 37
    Date of Death: 18/11/1942
    Service No: C/J 96996
    Additional information: Son of Charles Henry and Elizabeth Ramster; husband of Elsie Annie Ramster, of Harwell, Berkshire.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: 52, 1.
    Memorial: CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL

    RAMSTER, HERBERT
    Initials: H
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Lance Corporal
    Regiment/Service: Worcestershire Regiment
    Unit Text: 1st Bn.
    Age: 30
    Date of Death: 10/05/1941
    Service No: 4341614
    Additional information: Son of Thomas and Alice Ramster, of Hull.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: 7. A. 2.
    Cemetery: KHARTOUM WAR CEMETERY

    RAMSTER, SYDNEY
    Initials: S
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Private
    Regiment/Service: Suffolk Regiment
    Unit Text: 30th Bn.
    Age: 22
    Date of Death: 24/06/1942
    Service No: 7895722
    Additional information: Son of William and Mary Elizabeth Ramster, of Hull.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Compt. 229. Grave 22216.
    Cemetery: HULL WESTERN CEMETERY

    Regards,
    Neville

  7. Amiguru said,

    March 24, 2010 @ 8:37 pm

    Rod,

    Here is an entry in the 1881 census which might be of particular interest to you:

    Name Relation Marital Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
    John RAMSTER Head M Male 37 Brixham, Devon, England Fish Dealer
    Susanna RAMSTER Wife M Female 34 Grimsby, Lincoln, England
    John RAMSTER Son Male 10 Grimsby, Lincoln, England Scholar
    Alice RAMSTER Daur Female 8 Grimsby, Lincoln, England Scholar
    Ernest RAMSTER Son Male 5 Grimsby, Lincoln, England Scholar
    Rose RAMSTER Daur Female 3 Grimsby, Lincoln, England
    Ethel RAMSTER Daur Female 1 m Grimsby, Lincoln, England
    Anne KIRMAN Servant U Female 40 Nurse (SMS)

    Source Information:
    Dwelling 74 Garibaldi Street
    Census Place Great Grimsby, Lincoln, England
    Family History Library Film 1341780
    Public Records Office Reference RG11
    Piece / Folio 3270 / 127
    Page Number 39

    Regards,
    Neville

  8. Rod said,

    March 25, 2010 @ 7:37 am

    Neville,
    I’m really taken aback, as I type this I’ve looked at those names for only moments and it feels very strange - I can’t quite describe it - it certainly feels as though I ought to do something with this family tree business

    One small point that did spring to mind
    Mr. C’s name about 3 months ago and he has southern roots, but don’t mention it!
    I’m surprised I need to point this out to a man of your standing but I do live in the south.
    According to the Venerable Bede The Humber marks the north south divide and . . .
    According to Alfred the Great, only Barbarians live north of the Humber !!!

    I’ve such affection for you Neville I’ll allow this lapse and your implication I live ‘Up North’ :)

    I need to digest those names and information now - feels very strange Neville !

    Thanks and regards
    Rod
    PS: did you see the Ellis Penson comment - how fabulous !

  9. Amiguru said,

    March 25, 2010 @ 8:49 pm

    Rod,

    I’m pleased you have taken the genealogical bait but wonder if you realise what you are getting into :roll:
    I started my family tree circa 1970 and to date have 610 people on it going back as far as the 1690’s. Your training in historical reasearches on this site have stood you in good stead as it has, I know, reinforced the realisation that scrupulous attention to detail and cross-referencing are an essential disipline. One mistaken identity can have you barking up the wrong tree, (groan).

    The name of Ramster is a really fortunate name to start with as, for example, there were in the whole 1881 census for England only 39 people recorded on it with that name! With the name Collins you will have to narrow the field considerable as there are many thousands with that name and its variants.
    If you get really interested and would like some appropriate links to get you started I can e-mail them to you.

    :lol: :lol: :lol: Southern roots, Hmmmmm…. according to the afore mentioned site the name Collins is rooted in the English and Welsh counties south of a line from Pembroke to Suffolk; being concentrated in Cornwall, Glamorgan, Dorset, Worcester, IOW, Hampshire, Sussex and Kent!

    Whatever the case, it doesn’t matter where we think our roots are as after all, even if we regard ourselves as English, (let alone a Yellowbelly), we are all mongrels with probable Celtic/Roman/Scandinavian/Norman etc. genes in our makeup. I suppose what really matters, in this respect is, where we feel that we are ‘from’.

    Anyhoo, (quaint Norfolk expression which a certain person seems to have adopted ;) ), good luck with your researches.

    Yes, I did see Freda’s entry - fantastic result as well as HH’s subsequent report :)

    Now off to do yet more research,
    Kind regards,
    Neville

  10. Rod said,

    March 26, 2010 @ 8:08 am

    Neville,
    your post did indeed stir me up and I’ve been thinking which line to pursue, either Ramster, Collins or my mother’s side.
    You make a geat point which I did think about - accuracy and one mistake - it could put me miles off track.
    There’s no doubt were the original immigrants around here.

    I enjoyed a great argument with a Welshman once who hates the English.
    I infuriated him by saying the Welsh are the true English ! The Saxons and drove the English into the Welsh hills - we’re all Viking warrior - and much the better for it I suspect
    Best
    Rod
    PS my viking ancestry could explain my affinity with Sabaton :)

  11. Rod said,

    March 26, 2010 @ 8:56 am

    Here’s the first thing I’ve found:

    Listed as as Prisoner for insolvency and Debt in the London Gazette - 12 March 1841
    Thomas Ramster, of No. 11, Russell-street, Exeter, then of No. 22, Queen-street, Plymouth, Devon, then of Rackstreet, and late of Pancras-street, Exeter, Saddle Tree Maker

  12. PaulR said,

    May 18, 2010 @ 10:42 am

    Saw this thread on the Ramster family, and thought I’d report in.
    Never been able to find out much about my family history, other than I’m told that my paternal grandfather, Martin Putt Ramster originally came from Brixham.

    Paul

  13. Rod said,

    May 18, 2010 @ 7:44 pm

    Paul,
    thanks for the comment and welcome to the site.
    I know the Ramster side of my family originate from Brixham . . .
    Not sure if that means there’s a connection or not ?
    Best
    Rod

  14. PaulR said,

    May 25, 2010 @ 4:17 pm

    According to my father, his father was born and grew up in Brixham around the turn of the century, and had many brothers and sisters (5? 6?), none of which he kept in touch with.
    More than one emigrated - at least one to Canada, and he things maybe one to Australia too.
    So I’d say it’s more than likely that we are related - possibly a shared great-grandparent.

    My grandfather moved to Milford Haven in the 1920’s where he married and had two sons.

  15. Rod said,

    May 25, 2010 @ 6:56 pm

    Paul,
    do you know any names as I’ve got a Ramster fmaily tree here going back to the 1700s
    Best
    Rod

  16. PaulR said,

    June 30, 2010 @ 4:46 pm

    The only name I have is my paternal grandfather: Martin Putt Ramster. Born in Brixham sometime around the turn of the century. Would be interested in knowing if he appears in your Ramster family tree. And indeed, if I do too!

  17. Rod said,

    June 30, 2010 @ 7:56 pm

    Paul,
    Martin is not on my list but I think the part I’ve got could be too early fo rturn of the century.
    I’ll try and get a complete copy of the whole thing.
    Best
    Rod

  18. Amiguru said,

    June 30, 2010 @ 8:56 pm

    Paul, Rod,

    Martin Ramster, born Brixham, Devon was aged 7 in 1901. Not much to go on but at least it gives a birth year give or take of 1893/4. Hope this helps and will pot anthing else I come across.

    Regards,
    Neville

  19. Rod said,

    July 1, 2010 @ 7:51 am

    Neville,
    many thanks, the part of the tree I have stops before that date - I’m trying to get the full thing
    Cheers
    Rod

  20. louise said,

    July 2, 2010 @ 6:25 pm

    Brixham heritage museum holds the parrish records for BMD’s going back hundred of years. They will search their records for a small donation. Intrestingly you think your name has a Dutch origins, William of Orange landed in Brixham in 1688, bringing with him over 30,000 men!

  21. Rod said,

    July 2, 2010 @ 7:32 pm

    Louise,
    many thanks for the information and welcome to the site - William of Orange is far too interesting to be related to me I fear :)
    All the best
    Rod

  22. PaulR said,

    September 5, 2010 @ 11:14 pm

    Extermely interrupted conversation, but on the off chance that you are still interested, here is some data about my branch of the Ramster family.

    As far as I can find out…

    My Grandfather - Martin Putt Ramster was born in Jun 1893 in Brixham, the son of Henry (Harry) Ramster (b. Jun 1847) and Mary Jane Ramster nee Snell (b. Sep 1851), Mary Jane Snell appears to have had two children (John Snell and Anna Snell) by one John Snell prior to her marriage to Harry Ramster. She then had six further children with Harry - Harry Warren, Mary Jane (known as Polly), Edith, Bertha, Alica Jordain and (finally) Martin Putt.

    Putt appears to have been chosen as Martin Putt’s middle name as it was the maiden name of his Grandmother; Mary Jane Snell’s parents being William Snell and Mary Grace Putt.

    Not sure why the father of Mary Jane Snell’s first two children and her father had the same surname, but perhaps the research is flawed - or perhaps there’s something that is better left undiscovered in that part of the family history!

    Henry/Harry’s father is another Henry (b. 1813), who married Harriet Langworthy (b.1814). They had 4 children - Wiliam, Harry, Richard L and Mary G.

    There’s no Percival Dean Ramster anywhere in there, but I found a Percival Bean Ramster - aged 7 in 1851. Assuming that’s just a transcription error, that would make your ancestor born in ~1847, the same year as my great-grandfather Harry, and in the same town. The two families probably knew each other, but we don’t seem to be related - at least as far as my research goes.

    Would be happy to receive any further info you have on the Ramsters of Brixham in the 19th Century.

  23. Rod said,

    September 6, 2010 @ 8:16 am

    Paul,
    thanks for the info, much appreciated. I’m still waiting for the ful family tree to be sent to my parents - I’ll have more info then.
    The partial chart I have show Percy Dean Ramster born 1890 died 1933 - sadly very young and died without issue
    Best
    Rod

  24. History Hunter said,

    September 6, 2010 @ 10:19 am

    I regularly stroll round Scartho Road Cemetery, and have seen at least 6 or 7 Ramster’s buried there. Must have been a decent sized family in the area as they were nearly all back at the turn of the 20th Century.

  25. Rod said,

    September 6, 2010 @ 12:20 pm

    HH,
    I’ll make enquiries to see if there’s a connection
    Thanks
    Rod

  26. Gail Knight said,

    September 9, 2010 @ 7:40 pm

    Hello Rod and PaulR,

    I don’t know how far you’ve got with your Ramster history but I think that I can help link you from my own research (it’s my boyfriend’s surname. I was looking at it in 2009 and my notes are in tatters, but I explained what I found in an email to his dad at the time so have copied some of that into the below) (Oh my boyfriend is JW IV’s cousin!).

    The furthest direct ancestor of my bf’s (and yours) that I found was William Ramster who married Betty Johns in Brixham on 25 May 1800. There’s another family of Ramsters in St Sidwell, Exeter at this time, but I can’t prove how they’re related (I’ve just been using the internet). Many of the St Sidwell Ramsters’ decendents appear later in the West Midlands and London.

    There’s also a record in a book of a Ramster dying in a fire in Tiverton in Elizabethan times, but that’s definitely the furthest back I’ve seen!
    http://books.google.com/books?id=t8sHAAAAQAAJ&dq=ramster%20fire&pg=PA23#v=onepage&q=ramster%20fire&f=false

    So William and Betty had many children (but it’s hard to tell how many survive to have their own families).

    The ‘important’ ones are Thomas, Sarah, Mary Ann, John (your ancestor Rod) and Henry (PaulR’s ancestor).

    William and Betty’s children Thomas, Sarah and Mary Ann all got married in Ramsgate, Kent, although Thomas and Sarah were both marrying Brixham-born people, and they both moved to Hull and Lincolnshire respectively shortly after their marriages. Their families worked as Mast and Block Makers. There seems to have been a lot of migration from Ramsgate to other ports in shipbuilding at the time (according to Google). Sarah married a William Carlile and they didn’t have any children of their own but many of her future nieces were named Sarah Carlile so she must have been nice :) Thomas married Ann Collier and their many children make up the majority of the Hull Ramster population. I think there’s a connection between their son John Ramster and the first manager of Hull City football club James Ramster (although I can’t prove it!)

    William and Betty’s son John, your ancestor, married Elizabeth Bowden and had 5 children; Mary Elizabeth, John, Sarah, Martha and Anna. John the elder died young the year Anna was born in 1850, and his widow Elizabeth is working as a greengrocer by the time of the 1851 census. His children John and Sarah both moved to Grimsby after their father’s death and got married (Sarah stayed with her aunt Sarah Carlile for a while first).

    This younger John Ramster married Susannah Surfleet, a Grimsby girl, and had lots of children (the family in the census post above by Amiguru). These included John William I, Rose your great grandmother?, Percy (Percival Dean), Ernest who had a very large family of his own in Grimsby, and Bowden, named after his grandmother Elizabeth Bowden and owner of fishing trawlers.

    Finally, (and I /Think/ this is right…) William and Betty’s son Henry married 3 times. He eventually moved to Hull as did his first son, William, but his second son, Henry, stayed in Brixham and married Mary Jane Snell.

    Henry and Mary Jane had 13 children, however 8 died in birth or childhood. It’s one of the saddest things that I found. As Paul said his grandfather Martin Putt was born in 1893. They had a previous child named Martin Putt, born 1883 died 1885. According to my mum it’s very common to reuse a name if the child dies(!)

    I think some of Martin’s siblings moved to Wales (Haverford West) where they seem to have stayed. I can’t remember how I know this (!) but I think it would be quite easy to find Paul’s second cousins. Some others seemed to have stayed in Devon. I seem to remember a record (the 1911census?) where Henry, Mary Jane and their youngest Martin are in Sussex or Surrey, which was weird - a family holiday perhaps?!. That bit is entirely from memory though.

    Henry and Mary Jane definitely didn’t leave Brixham, as they lived on Union Lane when they died and were buried in the Higher Brixham non-conformist cemetery in 1926 and 1927 respectively.

    So you’re… 4th cousins once removed?! maybe…!

    Paul it’s interesting that you said some of your grandfather’s siblings moved to Canada and Australia - I’ve found Ramsters in Australia but never known how they were linked, and there’s a Canadian Hunting Knife called Ramster!

    As someone else mentioned, contacting Brixham Heritage Museum would be an interesting step and I’m sure you could link all the Ramsters in the country!

  27. Rod said,

    September 10, 2010 @ 7:15 am

    Gail,
    thanks for this - hugely appreciated and welcome to the site.
    I’m going to go over it against the partial family tree and follow it properly
    Many thans indeed - I’ll be back Gail
    Fabulous
    Rod

  28. Rod said,

    September 10, 2010 @ 8:01 pm

    Gail,
    A few points following your great comment:
    I’ve got William and Betty as the earliest on my tree as well

    John & Elizabeth Bowden Their child named John sadly died of Typhus aged 5 - 1837 - 1842

    Your information is better thank mine Gail but it ties in with my partial tree perfectly - I’m still awaiting more information from the family - hopefully it will arrive one day

    I presume I’m related somehow to your boyfriend Gail - send him my regards
    All the best
    Rod

  29. Gail Knight said,

    September 13, 2010 @ 5:17 pm

    Hi Rod,

    That’s sad, I think that must be an earlier son of theirs - another John Ramster is born in 1844, and appears on the 1851 census with Elizabeth and his sisters. How did you find out about the typhus?

    Gail

  30. Rod said,

    September 13, 2010 @ 6:35 pm

    Gail that’s what it appears to me if I read the tree correctly, born before Mary and then another John in 1844.
    By the name is written - Brixham died Typhus Fever
    Best
    Rod

  31. Rod said,

    September 16, 2010 @ 5:42 pm

    Picture Update:

    Ramster family gravestone headston grave

    the headstone of Percy Dean Ramster who is pictured in uniform above

  32. PaulR said,

    September 30, 2010 @ 11:40 am

    Gail said
    “I think some of Martin’s siblings moved to Wales (Haverford West) where they seem to have stayed. I can’t remember how I know this (!) but I think it would be quite easy to find Paul’s second cousins. Some others seemed to have stayed in Devon.”

    Not just some of Martin Putt Ramster’s siblings, but Martin himself moved to Wales. His eldest brother owned a butcher’s shop in Milford Haven, and Martin worked in that shop all his working life as far as I’m aware. That’s where my uncle and father were both born. The whole family moved to London after the war (WWII), and that’s where I was born. I don’t know anything else about the brother (Harry?) that owned the butcher’s shop though.

  33. ray said,

    October 24, 2010 @ 11:52 pm

    My greatgrandparents were John and Susannah Ramster,Thanks for photo`s,

  34. ray said,

    October 25, 2010 @ 12:36 am

    Albert Collins, my records suggest he was born in Scotland ?, found 3 Children:-Rose.Albert, and Denzal.
    After Albert died , They all went to live with their grandmother

  35. ray said,

    October 25, 2010 @ 6:47 am

    Errors
    It was John Sutherland, Rose Ramster`s Brother in law who was born in Scotland.
    John and Susannah were my Great-Great-Grandparents.

  36. Rod said,

    October 25, 2010 @ 7:28 am

    Ray,
    thanks for the comment and welcome to the site - I suspect we’re relatives then !?!
    Would that be John and Susannah Ramster born in Grimsby 1844 and 1847 respectively ?

    I may try and get a schematic of the family tree available to me up here on the site somehow
    All the best
    Rod
    PS: Ray would you like a picture of the John and Susannah Ramster headstone putting up here ?
    Don’t know whether you’re local or not Ray.

  37. Rod said,

    October 26, 2010 @ 9:52 am

    Ray,
    my father has asked me if you know the name of your great Grandfather ?
    Best
    Rod

  38. ray said,

    October 28, 2010 @ 11:46 pm

    Hello again
    My great Grandfather was Ernest Ramster , he married Elizabeth Scarborough on the 4/2/1897 . My grandmother was Ethel Ramster , my father, Bill Neul died in 1974 aged 49

    John Ramster Was born in Brixham in 1844, he married in Grimsby to Susannah Surfleet.His Sisters
    Sarah,Anna and Martha are all on the Grimsby Census

    ray

  39. Rod said,

    October 29, 2010 @ 7:22 pm

    Ray,
    just received this from my mother:

    I have spoken to Cousin Jean in Lincoln today about Ernest Ramster (see Ray’s comments on your blog).
    She recalls that Ernest and Rose Ramster appear to have been very close as siblings. They used to take a cart laden with crabs etc. to Isaac’s Hill at Cleethorpes to sell to trippers.
    Ernest died young before Jean and Dad were born.
    Jean thought she remembered the following names of Ernest children: George, Elsie, Rose and Lou Lou (possibly Louise). If Ethel Ramster is Ray’s grandmother, she must be another sibling of those named.

  40. History Hunter said,

    June 30, 2011 @ 2:37 am

    I have just found a list of Enrolled Freemen of Grimsby and you will be please to know that there are 6 Ramster’s on there. The dates are when they were accepted as Freemen of the Town.

    RAMSTER John William - 4 May 1893
    RAMSTER Ernest - 12 Jul 1897
    RAMSTER Henry - 15 Jun 1904
    RAMSTER Bowden - 1 Jul 1907
    RAMSTER Arthur - 1 Mar 1910

    and look who we have here. None other than the main man…..Percy Dean Ramster!

    RAMSTER Percy Dean - 5 Aug 1911

    I’m beginning to think there may be more to him, than just being your relative, as he must have been notable in town by the age of 21 for him to be accepted as a Freeman! Note it happened before WW1 so probably wont be military related.

  41. Rod said,

    June 30, 2011 @ 7:08 am

    HH,
    many thanks indeed, very interesting - I was a Freeman at the age of 21 so that makes notability questionable :)

    I’ve just checked the family tree I have HH and every one of the people you’ve mentioned is on it so they’re not just coincidental names but my relatives !
    Fantastic
    In appreciation
    Rod

  42. Cleethorpes said,

    April 13, 2012 @ 11:21 am

    I hope you’ve been successful tracking down the family tree. A friend told me of this thread and I was shocked to see that previous Ramster’s sold crabs down Isaacs hill as I live just off Isaacs Hill so some Ramster’s have stayed in the Grimsby/Cleethorpes area. Unfortunately I cannot really help with family history as the only other Ramster I speak too is my father and his knowledge is very limited of family history. Have you contacted the Ramster Hall as they may have previous records of who lived there that might fit in.
    Hope you’ve been successful

  43. Rod said,

    April 13, 2012 @ 7:31 pm

    Cleethorpes,
    thanks for the comment and welcome to the site - I haven’t checked the hall, good idea
    Best
    Rod

  44. History Hunter said,

    April 21, 2012 @ 11:33 pm

    Mr Collins, this may help your cause a little.

    I have now got a list of all the Ramsters who are buried, upto 1991, in Scartho Road Cemetery. I shall try to list them in some sort of semblance of order, but whatever, its all the details I have found.

    John William Ramster died 26 November 1914 aged 45
    Eleanor Ramster (wife) died 5 April 1970 aged 85

    Alice Sutherland died 21 December 1929 aged 56
    Eldest daughter of the late John W. Ramster

    John Ramster died 25 March 1911 aged 67
    Susan(nah) (wife) died 26th March 1927 aged 79

    Percy Dean Ramster died 13 December 1933 aged 43
    Youngest son of the late John and Susan Ramster

    Rose Collins (nee Ramster) died 21 February 1965 aged 87

    Ernest Ramster died 26 February 1917 aged 41
    Mary Elizabeth Ramster (wife) died 14 March 1946 aged 69

    Ada Emerson (nee Ramster) died 10 February 1951 aged 69

    Annie Ethel Ramster died 26 February 1953 aged 61

    Arthur Ramster died 24 October 1968 aged 80

    Now you may think thats not a bad addition to this thread……but wait….these are only the ones with headstones!!!!

    Those buried without any grave markers are as follows

    (Un-named male) died 5 February 1900 aged 16 days
    Ada died 16 February 1900 aged 1 month (believed to be twins)

    Arthur died 13 January 1917 aged 2

    Florence died 1 February 1914 aged 2

    Henry died 7 June 1962 aged 79

    John died 11 September 1913 aged 7 months

    John Arthur died 6 January 1911 aged 13 days

    John Willie died 3 November 1904 aged 15 months

    Louisa died 13 May 1941 aged 67

    Percy died 11 January 1912 aged 1 month

    And thats it! 10 Ramster’s buried with nothing to show for it. Some may be buried with other relatives and just not named on the headstones. The only way to find out where they are buried is to ask at the Crematorium office, but just be aware that the robbing fatherless Council staff charge you £7 to search for each and every name for you.

  45. Rod said,

    April 22, 2012 @ 6:52 am

    HH,
    I bowled over, well and truly stunned - I cannot thank you enough.
    I’m going to open up the family tree now and see who’s who and what’s what.

    The young ones without markers HH . . .
    In huge appreciation
    Rod

  46. Rod said,

    April 22, 2012 @ 7:30 am

    John William is my family as is John who died 1911 (he was a trawler skipper)
    Percy Dean gave me my middle name ‘Dean’
    Rose I believe was my father’s aunt
    I think Ernest is brother to John William
    Arthur died childless and was a fish merchant

    I’ve got an Ada listed, who died childless, I wonder whether “Ada died 16 February 1900 aged 1 month (believed to be twins)” were tragically hers?
    Again, I’ve got an Arthur who died childless, I wonder whether the 2 year old was his ?

    2 years old . . . to think how we moan and complain . . .

    HH,
    Henry died 7 June 1962 aged 79
    I’ve found this one as well but, there is no date of death listed, this is obviously why, no stone but you’ve uncovered the date - wonderful!!!

    Louisa
    Now, I can’t find her, so is she not related or somebody new ?!

  47. Rod said,

    April 22, 2012 @ 9:16 am

    HH,
    an email from my mother:

    Just printed off HH’s wonderful listing of the Ramster’s family burried at Scartho.
    Please thank him for us. I will also be forwarding a copy to Jean in Lincoln who has been the main researcher.
    BTW - Rose is father’s Grandmother (not Aunt) and therefore your Great Grandmother.

  48. History Hunter said,

    April 22, 2012 @ 11:06 am

    You are very welcome. I can also check Cleethorpes and surrounding district for any more Ramster’s. But before you say anything else……I am NOT going to do the Collins family………there are hundreds of the buggers!

  49. History Hunter said,

    April 22, 2012 @ 11:12 am

    Rod, regarding Louisa, have a read of your comment from October 29, 2010. Lou Lou?

  50. Rod said,

    April 22, 2012 @ 6:08 pm

    HH,
    Lou Lou !!!

    this also just in from my mother as of this evening:

    Louisa (nee Berry) was the wife of Henry.
    Louisa Berry’s family had shop in Victoria Street and were Game Dealers and Poulterers.

    Regards,
    Rod

  51. History Hunter said,

    April 23, 2012 @ 9:48 am

    Louisa (nee Berry) was the wife of Henry.

    That would make her nearly 10 years OLDER than Henry. It is quite rare for that generation to have such an age gap ‘in reverse’. It was quite common for a man to be 10 years + older than his wife, but not ‘tuther way.

  52. History Hunter said,

    April 23, 2012 @ 11:11 am

    One little quick update.

    Martha RAMSTER died 30 October 1887 aged 39 (Spinster)

    Buried in an unmarked grave at Cleethorpes Cemetery in Section J

    She is the ONLY Ramster in Cleethorpes Cemetery up to 1993

  53. Rod said,

    April 23, 2012 @ 12:52 pm

    HH,
    wonderful stuff, yet again - many thanks indeed.
    I suspect a few others will apreciate it as well, several hundred people a month tsill look at this page!
    Best
    Rod

  54. Collins IOM said,

    September 18, 2012 @ 2:47 pm

    Hello there
    very interesting site Rod. I’ve been looking at my family history and have a link to a John Collins who was secretary to the trade union in Grimsby round about 1919. Would you have any links to him do you think? He had 2 sons John and Edward. If you know of any link would love to hear from you (or indeed anyone!)
    Keep up the good work… Such a shame such history is falling down around us, should be preserved for future generations to enjoy!
    Regards
    Sarah

  55. Rod said,

    September 18, 2012 @ 7:52 pm

    Hi Sarah,
    thanks for the comment and welcome to the site.
    I’ve looked at the partial family tree I have and can see no mention but it’s mainly earlier than that date but I’ve not heard of any such connection - although that doesn’t mean much really . . . there could well be
    Regards,
    Rod

  56. Helen said,

    November 20, 2012 @ 4:29 pm

    hello, been reading all the comments above and thought i would add my own, my father is Percy Dean Ramster - born 09/04/35 - son of George and Jessie. I remember as a small child my father taking me to see the grave stone in Scartho cemerty

  57. Rod said,

    November 20, 2012 @ 4:46 pm

    Helen,
    thanks for the comment and welcome to the site - we must be distantly realted then I presume :shock:
    Best
    Rod

  58. Rod said,

    November 22, 2012 @ 9:48 am

    Helen,
    a message from a family member:

    We are most intriqued to hear that Helen’s father was called Percy Dean Ramster.
    You will note that our relation died in 1933 and Helen’s father was born in 1935.
    Within the ancestry table we cannot find a reference to George and Jessie.
    The only George mentioned appears to have 6 siblings and was a son of William Ramster. This may be a ‘Hull branch’.
    Any relevant information but be gratefully received.

  59. ray said,

    January 19, 2013 @ 7:40 pm

    George Ernest Ramster ( son of Ernest and Elizabeth ) was my Grandmothers brother, he Married Jessie Adams in 1927

  60. ray said,

    January 21, 2013 @ 1:38 pm

    Lou lou was Ernest and Elizabeth eldest child, Born as Elsie Louisa Ramster on 3 July 1898, one of 15 children and some of them on H.H cemetery list are also their children

    Martha RAMSTER died 30 October 1887 aged 39, Her headstone with a sad inscription to be found on the left hand side as you walk about 100ft from the main gates

    John Ramster sister Sarah Ramster died 18 Aug 1918 and is buried with her husband, also in Scatrho Road cemetery

    Two of John Ramster daughters Sarah Carlisle Ramster died in 1871 and another Sarah who was named after her died in 1875 are buried in 1871 Ainslie Street Cemetery

    Albert Colins ( Rose Ramster husband ), Grave is behind the three Ramster graves in Scatrho Road cemetery

  61. Rod said,

    January 21, 2013 @ 5:11 pm

    Ray,
    thanks for the comments, really appreciated and my apologies for missing the first one - a warm welcome to the site.
    Kind regards,
    Rod

  62. Sara said,

    June 23, 2013 @ 6:02 pm

    Hello my surname is Ramster and i’ve been trying to find out about my family history! All i know is my grandad ( John William Ramster) came from Grimsby! Your comments have been really interesting!

    Sara

  63. Rod said,

    June 23, 2013 @ 6:05 pm

    Sara,
    thanks for the comment and welcome to the site.
    Would that be John William 1870 to 1914?
    If so I suspect that means we must be distantly related !
    Best
    Rod

  64. v said,

    June 30, 2013 @ 7:46 pm

    Good grief !

    Interesting to see a John and Elizabeth Bowden in the Ramster family. I did find a Bowden Ramster, a fish merchant who sued someone for the cost of a bag of prawns but I didn’t think it had any relevance to anything on a Collins website.

    As my love of social history increases, so does my recognition of the great importance of the local newspapers of the day. An invaluable resource that shows life as it actually was.

  65. V said,

    June 30, 2013 @ 8:04 pm

    Approx 1908 the Dock Ambulance was used for a child by the name of Ramster whose father owned a fish business.

    The 8 year old child was driving his father’s fish cart over the tracks when the horse startled and threw the child onto the metal rails. The child hit his head and was unconscious for up to thirty minutes when the dock ambulance took him to the local hospital.

    fascinating stuff

  66. Rod said,

    June 30, 2013 @ 8:08 pm

    V,
    even more staggering.
    My father phoned a relative who has done the family tree and she believes the injured boy was probably . . .

    The man in the photo in the original article - that would be Percy Dean Ramster from whom I get my middle name

    I find this simply staggering V - what a thing you’ve found !!!!!
    In appreciation,
    Rod

  67. v said,

    June 30, 2013 @ 8:19 pm

    Good grief Rod

    You are right! This is not just fascinating, it’s incredible.

  68. ray said,

    August 12, 2013 @ 8:25 pm

    Percy Dean never married , he lived at the family home in Victoria Street untill his death in 1933

  69. Rod said,

    August 12, 2013 @ 9:33 pm

    Ray,
    thanks for this, much appreciated
    Regards,
    Rod

  70. heidi moore said,

    September 23, 2013 @ 7:15 am

    hello i am edith ramster ( moore ) granddaugther,,and this extra info is great

  71. Rod said,

    September 23, 2013 @ 7:16 am

    Hi Edith,
    thanks for the comment and welcome to the site.
    Kind regards,
    Rod

  72. heidi moore said,

    September 24, 2013 @ 7:37 pm

    hi there,,, my great granddad was ernest ramster his daughter was edith and her son david then me

    hello rod ,,you misunderstood me my name is heidi and my grndmother was edith ramster,,,its been good looking at some of the comments on here that photo of percy was amazing and found alikeness to my dad david moore they look smilar…have you anymore photos of relatives or the ramsters businesses l have done the ramsters family tree on ancnertry website l get so carryed away with it,,,so we are related …it would be great to meet up and talk about all the facts we have found out

  73. Waltham lass said,

    January 14, 2014 @ 7:48 am

    Hi.. rose ramster was my nanna. She married norman Griffiths. She passed away of natural causes in th 50s so sadly I never knew her.. the dutch link to the family is very Interesting. ..

  74. Rod said,

    January 14, 2014 @ 7:50 am

    WL,
    thanks for the comment and a warm welcome to the site
    Kind regards,
    Rod

  75. linda barratt said,

    January 19, 2014 @ 6:20 pm

    my grandmother was louisa frances ramster born 13 april 1906 in grimsby daughter of earnest and elizabeth ramster nee scarborough her siblings were george elsie rose and ethel at the time of her birth the family lived in burgess street grimsby her only brother george was a regular character around the old centralmarket area of grimsby a picture appeared in the evening telegraph of him some years ago

  76. Rod said,

    January 19, 2014 @ 6:21 pm

    Linda,.
    thanks for the comment and welcome to the site
    Kind regards,
    Rod

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