Comments on: Kirkstead Abbey ~ A Guide to the History and Site http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site A Site About Everything and Nothing Mon, 21 May 2012 22:42:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 Comment on Kirkstead Abbey ~ A Guide to the History and Site by: Rod http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-21966 Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:07:55 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-21966 From 1251: <i>For the abbot of Kirkstead. The king has pardoned to the abbot of Kirkstead the 5 m. at which he was amerced before the justices last itinerant at the Tower of London for a purpresture made in the same vill. The king has also pardoned to the same abbot the other 5 m. at which he was similarly amerced before Master Simon of Walton in the assize of novel disseisin that Master Nicholas del Wyz arraigned against him. Order to the barons of the Exchequer to cause the same abbot to be quit from the aforesaid 10 m.</i> From 1251:

For the abbot of Kirkstead. The king has pardoned to the abbot of Kirkstead the 5 m. at which he was amerced before the justices last itinerant at the Tower of London for a purpresture made in the same vill. The king has also pardoned to the same abbot the other 5 m. at which he was similarly amerced before Master Simon of Walton in the assize of novel disseisin that Master Nicholas del Wyz arraigned against him. Order to the barons of the Exchequer to cause the same abbot to be quit from the aforesaid 10 m.

]]> Comment on Kirkstead Abbey ~ A Guide to the History and Site by: Rod http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-14119 Mon, 07 Jun 2010 17:26:17 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-14119 Neville, that's fine by me :) When I visited my thoughts were just as they are looking at this now. How and why did that one piece survive and all the rest disappear - doesn't seem to make sense. Much like some of the other ruins I've seen you're left with the thought - how spectacular must it have been ! Best Rod Neville,
that’s fine by me :)
When I visited my thoughts were just as they are looking at this now.
How and why did that one piece survive and all the rest disappear - doesn’t seem to make sense.
Much like some of the other ruins I’ve seen you’re left with the thought - how spectacular must it have been !
Best
Rod

]]> Comment on Kirkstead Abbey ~ A Guide to the History and Site by: Amiguru http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-14116 Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:30:01 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-14116 Rod, Went and collected my new specs today so expect twice as much work from me from hereon, hence five posts today, <i>so far! </i> Lincolnshire Architectural and Archaeological Society Report 1887 says: "KIRKSTEAD Chapel. We very much regret to hear that this most beautiful specimen of Gothic architecture is still in great danger of collapsing. It would be a discredit to this Diocese should so precious an edifice be allowed to fall, of which there is reasonable apprehension. From its proportions and the beauty of its details it constitutes a perfect model of a small church, such as the most critical might wish to possess, and is therefore valuable far beyond its own locality. From the leaning of portions of this edifice and threatening cracks in the fabric such a catastrophe might occur at any time, although it is impossible to say how long stones and mortar may cohere. We earnestly trust that some persons after visiting this Chapel may be induced to come forward and promote its preservation, and the Society will do its utmost to help in so laudable an undertaking." Doggedly yours, Neville Rod,

Went and collected my new specs today so expect twice as much work from me from hereon, hence five posts today, so far!

Lincolnshire Architectural and Archaeological Society Report 1887 says:

“KIRKSTEAD Chapel.

We very much regret to hear that this most beautiful specimen of Gothic architecture is still in great danger of collapsing. It would be a discredit to this Diocese should so precious an edifice be allowed to fall, of which there is reasonable apprehension. From its proportions and the beauty of its details it constitutes a perfect model of a small church, such as the most critical might wish to possess, and is therefore valuable far beyond its own locality.
From the leaning of portions of this edifice and threatening cracks in the fabric such a catastrophe might occur at any time, although it is impossible to say how long stones and mortar may cohere. We earnestly trust that some persons after visiting this Chapel may be induced to come forward and promote its preservation, and the Society will do its utmost to help in so laudable an undertaking.”

Doggedly yours,
Neville

]]> Comment on Kirkstead Abbey ~ A Guide to the History and Site by: Rod http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-11956 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:25:56 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-11956 Peter, another thing I try to do is wipe my mind of modern preconceptions. When it comes to occupation, building and settlement etc I believe the modern mind is easily swayed by what we see and feel today. We think of property values and area desirability which can taint thought I suspect. This is why I also feel this area was so important, ignoring modern ideas and property prices, it is right in the iddle of the country, on the coast, sheltered port - ideal for trading both nationally and internationally etc etc I've tried to email you Peter re the picture All the best Rod Peter,
another thing I try to do is wipe my mind of modern preconceptions. When it comes to occupation, building and settlement etc I believe the modern mind is easily swayed by what we see and feel today.
We think of property values and area desirability which can taint thought I suspect.

This is why I also feel this area was so important, ignoring modern ideas and property prices, it is right in the iddle of the country, on the coast, sheltered port - ideal for trading both nationally and internationally etc etc

I’ve tried to email you Peter re the picture
All the best
Rod

]]> Comment on Kirkstead Abbey ~ A Guide to the History and Site by: Peter Mullins http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-11955 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:12:44 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-11955 Yes, yes. One of two essential questions for an historian. Really looking and noticing and then asking "What would I do here today". Absolutely right. The real tension / balancing act / bind is asking the second question at the same time: "What factors or assumptions would make them do things which wouldn't immediately occur to me?" [My e-mail with Aylesby Mill photo doesn't appear to have got through. I've had odd problems in the past when messages get lost in cyber space soemwhere. What to do next?] Yes, yes. One of two essential questions for an historian. Really looking and noticing and then asking “What would I do here today”. Absolutely right. The real tension / balancing act / bind is asking the second question at the same time: “What factors or assumptions would make them do things which wouldn’t immediately occur to me?”

[My e-mail with Aylesby Mill photo doesn’t appear to have got through. I’ve had odd problems in the past when messages get lost in cyber space soemwhere. What to do next?]

]]> Comment on Kirkstead Abbey ~ A Guide to the History and Site by: Rod http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-11954 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:46:12 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-11954 Peter, it is because of such things that I believe there is such richness in Lincolnshire history, certainly more than most would imagine - much undervalued and under-researched in my humble opinion. Your last point illustrates a theory I use when looking around potential sites; what would I do here today ! Whilst times change principals do not and businesses, homes and strongholds etc will only ever be somewhere for a specific reason. You can imagine and understand a lot looking at earthworks and the like just by using commonsense I think All the best Rod Peter,
it is because of such things that I believe there is such richness in Lincolnshire history, certainly more than most would imagine - much undervalued and under-researched in my humble opinion.

Your last point illustrates a theory I use when looking around potential sites; what would I do here today !
Whilst times change principals do not and businesses, homes and strongholds etc will only ever be somewhere for a specific reason. You can imagine and understand a lot looking at earthworks and the like just by using commonsense I think

All the best
Rod

]]> Comment on Kirkstead Abbey ~ A Guide to the History and Site by: Peter Mullins http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-11952 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:18:26 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-11952 When Lincoln (one of the largest contributors to the ransom for Richard I) was one of the few major cities in the country and Boston (more customs revenue than London) was one of the few major ports, the Witham was not a remote backwater but a principle trading route. As new IT businesses clustered in the M4 corridor in the 1980s and 1990s, so new large wealthy religious houses crowded the Witham valley from the twelfth century onwards. When Lincoln (one of the largest contributors to the ransom for Richard I) was one of the few major cities in the country and Boston (more customs revenue than London) was one of the few major ports, the Witham was not a remote backwater but a principle trading route. As new IT businesses clustered in the M4 corridor in the 1980s and 1990s, so new large wealthy religious houses crowded the Witham valley from the twelfth century onwards.

]]> Comment on Kirkstead Abbey ~ A Guide to the History and Site by: Rod http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-11950 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 07:59:03 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-11950 LB &#38; FF thank you very much, it's a fabulous place, incredibly interesting in terms of after trip research as well Cheers Rod LB & FF
thank you very much, it’s a fabulous place, incredibly interesting in terms of after trip research as well
Cheers
Rod

]]> Comment on Kirkstead Abbey ~ A Guide to the History and Site by: Femme Fatale http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-11947 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 07:09:17 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-11947 Rod, What a lovely place, the picture of the moat is fabulous :) FF xx Rod,

What a lovely place,
the picture of the moat is fabulous :)

FF
xx

]]> Comment on Kirkstead Abbey ~ A Guide to the History and Site by: Little Brother http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-11945 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:26:09 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/kirkstead-abbey-a-guide-to-the-history-and-site#comment-11945 Rod, Quite incredible, really interesting post and well captured. LB Rod,
Quite incredible, really interesting post and well captured.

LB

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