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 		<title>Comment on How Many Teenagers Believe in God ? by: Rod</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Christine,
thanks for the fabulous comment and welcome to the site - hope you'll return.

&lt;i&gt;And atheism is a position of faith as much as faith is - seeing as it is also impossible to prove conclusively that God does not exist.&lt;/i&gt;
That's a very interesting point, as al those you make are, but my only problem is that you are suggesting that somebody should prove a negatiove which of course cannot be done. In order to convince somebody that something is true then the balance of proof falls on demonstarting the positive.
I could claim to have seen a minature pink and green elephant the size of a mouse and of course nobody in the world could prove I hadn't - the onus is on me to prove I did - you cannot prove a negative.

I personally remain open to anything myself although I find it difficult to accept something and embrace it totally without some evidence of truth.
I certainly believe that Jesus, a Mortal Prophet, existed but a greater divine spirit such as a god . . . 

Thanks again for adding so well to the debate Christine
All the best 
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Christine,<br />
thanks for the fabulous comment and welcome to the site - hope you&#8217;ll return.</p>
	<p><i>And atheism is a position of faith as much as faith is - seeing as it is also impossible to prove conclusively that God does not exist.</i><br />
That&#8217;s a very interesting point, as al those you make are, but my only problem is that you are suggesting that somebody should prove a negatiove which of course cannot be done. In order to convince somebody that something is true then the balance of proof falls on demonstarting the positive.<br />
I could claim to have seen a minature pink and green elephant the size of a mouse and of course nobody in the world could prove I hadn&#8217;t - the onus is on me to prove I did - you cannot prove a negative.</p>
	<p>I personally remain open to anything myself although I find it difficult to accept something and embrace it totally without some evidence of truth.<br />
I certainly believe that Jesus, a Mortal Prophet, existed but a greater divine spirit such as a god . . . </p>
	<p>Thanks again for adding so well to the debate Christine<br />
All the best<br />
Rod
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 		<title>Comment on How Many Teenagers Believe in God ? by: christine</title>
		<link>http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/how-many-teenagers-believe-in-god#comment-9196</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I notice that rather a lot of genocidal acts have been committed in the name of atheistic regimes too - Pol Pot, Mau, Stalin and Hitler being just some of the recent examples. And atheism is a position of faith as much as faith is - seeing as it is also impossible to prove conclusively that God does not exist. When conflicts appear to have a &quot;religious&quot; face, as in Northern Ireland, for instance, it often masks the real reason of political control/nationalism. 

Religious people are not the only people open to the possibility of bioged views - there are several on this site. For a start, I find it interesting that the line is trotted out all the time that people of faith are stupid. Professors of Theology at the UK's top universities are not exactly unthinking people. And there are many people of faith prominent in the field of scientific learning who do not find faith and science at odds with each other....though too often only polarised positions seem to get represented in the media. It is not very common knowledge, for example, that Darwin supported a Christian missionary society financially until his death. 

Atheists often want to vent their anger ar religion using glib statements that are as groundless as the beliefs they claim to be against.  What starts wars and bigotry is not necessarily religion, but the lack of ability to accept that other people have different opinions, and respect concerning the right of all people to live by their conscience, to practise freedom of religion or none, and freedom of speech within the rule of law.

All the people of faith I know are very open to debate, respectful friendship, the chance to share their story of why they have come to the conclusion of belief, unfortunately, however, in the media and in blogs/forums etc argument and debate is also often so unintelligent about faith - just the same old stereotypes. 

I know some people have had bad experiences of &quot;religion&quot;... but religion (rules and regulations, power &amp;#38; control) is not necessarily the same as faith bourne out from the heart, with life experience and thoughtful questioning behind it. Jesus was pretty scathing with religious leaders too whose real motivation was self-interest.

Good wishes to all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I notice that rather a lot of genocidal acts have been committed in the name of atheistic regimes too - Pol Pot, Mau, Stalin and Hitler being just some of the recent examples. And atheism is a position of faith as much as faith is - seeing as it is also impossible to prove conclusively that God does not exist. When conflicts appear to have a &#8220;religious&#8221; face, as in Northern Ireland, for instance, it often masks the real reason of political control/nationalism. </p>
	<p>Religious people are not the only people open to the possibility of bioged views - there are several on this site. For a start, I find it interesting that the line is trotted out all the time that people of faith are stupid. Professors of Theology at the UK&#8217;s top universities are not exactly unthinking people. And there are many people of faith prominent in the field of scientific learning who do not find faith and science at odds with each other&#8230;.though too often only polarised positions seem to get represented in the media. It is not very common knowledge, for example, that Darwin supported a Christian missionary society financially until his death. </p>
	<p>Atheists often want to vent their anger ar religion using glib statements that are as groundless as the beliefs they claim to be against.  What starts wars and bigotry is not necessarily religion, but the lack of ability to accept that other people have different opinions, and respect concerning the right of all people to live by their conscience, to practise freedom of religion or none, and freedom of speech within the rule of law.</p>
	<p>All the people of faith I know are very open to debate, respectful friendship, the chance to share their story of why they have come to the conclusion of belief, unfortunately, however, in the media and in blogs/forums etc argument and debate is also often so unintelligent about faith - just the same old stereotypes. </p>
	<p>I know some people have had bad experiences of &#8220;religion&#8221;&#8230; but religion (rules and regulations, power &amp; control) is not necessarily the same as faith bourne out from the heart, with life experience and thoughtful questioning behind it. Jesus was pretty scathing with religious leaders too whose real motivation was self-interest.</p>
	<p>Good wishes to all!
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 		<title>Comment on How Many Teenagers Believe in God ? by: Rod</title>
		<link>http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/how-many-teenagers-believe-in-god#comment-9177</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Steve,
thanks for the comments and welcome to the site - hope you'll return.
It's popular to say that religion gives a lot of people a lot of comfort but I can't help but think it's caused a great deal more misery.
The number of people killed and maimed in the name of god over the centuries must be incalculable
Cheers
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Steve,<br />
thanks for the comments and welcome to the site - hope you&#8217;ll return.<br />
It&#8217;s popular to say that religion gives a lot of people a lot of comfort but I can&#8217;t help but think it&#8217;s caused a great deal more misery.<br />
The number of people killed and maimed in the name of god over the centuries must be incalculable<br />
Cheers<br />
Rod
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		<link>http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/how-many-teenagers-believe-in-god#comment-9176</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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 		<title>Comment on How Many Teenagers Believe in God ? by: Rod</title>
		<link>http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/how-many-teenagers-believe-in-god#comment-9145</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Tom,
pleased you managed to find something of interest on the site - wading through the mire of 'other stuff' can be quite a task :)

&lt;i&gt;A genuine teenage perspective&lt;/i&gt;
Now this is of real use Tom and thanks for taking the time to share it with us.
I have to admit I have a penchant for using loaded terms on this site and little snippets here and there (lower case c for Christmas and g for God are two religious examples)

In this case though my experience is viewed, albeit time affected, as indoctrination.
I remember having the lord's Prayer drummed into me for example and I never recall hearing about anything other than christianity.

The anecdote about the science teacher is quite disgraceful and a prime example of why I think religious studies should be kept out of schools.
I'm in favour of teaching people &lt;i&gt;about&lt;/i&gt; different faiths, that's important but as for the rest that is for home or outside life


&lt;i&gt;As for religion’s impact on society… The nation has been flooded with atheism, and the weak have not found a replacement for belief in god as the purpose of their lives&lt;/i&gt;

That's a hell of a sentence Tom - wish I'd written it !

Thanks again for adding to the debate and taking the time to comment - hope you'll return - in fact with comments like this you'd better :)
All the best
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Tom,<br />
pleased you managed to find something of interest on the site - wading through the mire of &#8216;other stuff&#8217; can be quite a task <img src='http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p><i>A genuine teenage perspective</i><br />
Now this is of real use Tom and thanks for taking the time to share it with us.<br />
I have to admit I have a penchant for using loaded terms on this site and little snippets here and there (lower case c for Christmas and g for God are two religious examples)</p>
	<p>In this case though my experience is viewed, albeit time affected, as indoctrination.<br />
I remember having the lord&#8217;s Prayer drummed into me for example and I never recall hearing about anything other than christianity.</p>
	<p>The anecdote about the science teacher is quite disgraceful and a prime example of why I think religious studies should be kept out of schools.<br />
I&#8217;m in favour of teaching people <i>about</i> different faiths, that&#8217;s important but as for the rest that is for home or outside life</p>
	<p><i>As for religion’s impact on society… The nation has been flooded with atheism, and the weak have not found a replacement for belief in god as the purpose of their lives</i></p>
	<p>That&#8217;s a hell of a sentence Tom - wish I&#8217;d written it !</p>
	<p>Thanks again for adding to the debate and taking the time to comment - hope you&#8217;ll return - in fact with comments like this you&#8217;d better <img src='http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
All the best<br />
Rod
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 		<title>Comment on How Many Teenagers Believe in God ? by: Tom C.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ah, Something maybe missing from this series of comments. A genuine teenage perspective; Is in order I believe. Personally, I'm Agnostic, lacking the synicism to truely believe theirs nothing and having a decent amount of skepticism to disbelieve organised religion. Funny Rod, you use the term indoctrination to describe G.C.S.E. R.S., may I tell you it is quite the opposite. My friend - a firm believer - was bullied over her belief by a science teacher, a ridiculous series of events. Please let her believe! I felt, as I found myself explaining her points as she sat almost in tears. R.S. is where I personally learnt my Skepticism, as it allows ourselves to develope good understanding of religion (its flaws included) and counter-arguements. As for religion's impact on society... The nation has been flooded with atheism, and the weak have not found a replacement for belief in god as the purpose of their lives. Ultimately this has led to the (mistaken) belief life is not valuable, and punctured our society. P.S. most teenagers in this country can't even speak our language properly, so I wouldn't value their input so eagerly.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ah, Something maybe missing from this series of comments. A genuine teenage perspective; Is in order I believe. Personally, I&#8217;m Agnostic, lacking the synicism to truely believe theirs nothing and having a decent amount of skepticism to disbelieve organised religion. Funny Rod, you use the term indoctrination to describe G.C.S.E. R.S., may I tell you it is quite the opposite. My friend - a firm believer - was bullied over her belief by a science teacher, a ridiculous series of events. Please let her believe! I felt, as I found myself explaining her points as she sat almost in tears. R.S. is where I personally learnt my Skepticism, as it allows ourselves to develope good understanding of religion (its flaws included) and counter-arguements. As for religion&#8217;s impact on society&#8230; The nation has been flooded with atheism, and the weak have not found a replacement for belief in god as the purpose of their lives. Ultimately this has led to the (mistaken) belief life is not valuable, and punctured our society. P.S. most teenagers in this country can&#8217;t even speak our language properly, so I wouldn&#8217;t value their input so eagerly.  </p>
	<p>Thanks for reading.
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 		<title>Comment on How Many Teenagers Believe in God ? by: Rod</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Juli,
we're singing from the same hymn sheet, if you'll pardon the pun.
I've always been sceptical and I think it's healthy - it also keeps those that would seek control us in some way on their toes - blind faith in anything or anyone who benefits from such faith is crazy.

Prove it and I'll believe it !
Cheers
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Juli,<br />
we&#8217;re singing from the same hymn sheet, if you&#8217;ll pardon the pun.<br />
I&#8217;ve always been sceptical and I think it&#8217;s healthy - it also keeps those that would seek control us in some way on their toes - blind faith in anything or anyone who benefits from such faith is crazy.</p>
	<p>Prove it and I&#8217;ll believe it !<br />
Cheers<br />
Rod
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 		<title>Comment on How Many Teenagers Believe in God ? by: juli</title>
		<link>http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/how-many-teenagers-believe-in-god#comment-9099</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>All this says to me is that today's teenagers are not so blindly trusting of what adults tell them is the truth. Good for them! 

I'm not convinced the results are any worse than they would have been over the past twenty years or so - it's nearly 10 years since I left school (I presume the teenagers they questioned were of school age) and I doubt that my peers were any less sceptical of religion than today's. Possibly if you go back 30 or 40 years the results may be different, but all that tells me is the teenagrs of 30 or 40 years ago were too blindly trusting for their own good!



As for the majority believing religious studies should be optional, I can explain why that is - at my school an RE (as it was called then) GCSE was compulsory for those of us who were sitting more than 5 GCSEs, and it would have won the prize for the most boring subject, with the least interactive, least discussion-starting, lessons, by miles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>All this says to me is that today&#8217;s teenagers are not so blindly trusting of what adults tell them is the truth. Good for them! </p>
	<p>I&#8217;m not convinced the results are any worse than they would have been over the past twenty years or so - it&#8217;s nearly 10 years since I left school (I presume the teenagers they questioned were of school age) and I doubt that my peers were any less sceptical of religion than today&#8217;s. Possibly if you go back 30 or 40 years the results may be different, but all that tells me is the teenagrs of 30 or 40 years ago were too blindly trusting for their own good!</p>
	<p>As for the majority believing religious studies should be optional, I can explain why that is - at my school an RE (as it was called then) GCSE was compulsory for those of us who were sitting more than 5 GCSEs, and it would have won the prize for the most boring subject, with the least interactive, least discussion-starting, lessons, by miles!
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Annie,
&lt;i&gt;gentler teachings in the New Testament of the Bible&lt;/i&gt;
That'll be down to the rewriting and changing of so many things by the Emperor Constantine presumably.
Cheers
Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Annie,<br />
<i>gentler teachings in the New Testament of the Bible</i><br />
That&#8217;ll be down to the rewriting and changing of so many things by the Emperor Constantine presumably.<br />
Cheers<br />
Rod
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 		<title>Comment on How Many Teenagers Believe in God ? by: Annie Flinn</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Rod,
I agree.  I am constantly amazed that people tend to buy into the fire and brimstone of the Old Testament, without observing the kinder, gentler teachings in the New Testament of the Bible.  What is even more confounding is that church elders of old selected which books to include in each testament, and which ones to bury.  Talk about selective belief!!!  I was very fortunate to have had ministers who were more of the kinder, gentler attitude, and they passed that on to me.  Both were very accepting of my life situation.

Annie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Rod,<br />
I agree.  I am constantly amazed that people tend to buy into the fire and brimstone of the Old Testament, without observing the kinder, gentler teachings in the New Testament of the Bible.  What is even more confounding is that church elders of old selected which books to include in each testament, and which ones to bury.  Talk about selective belief!!!  I was very fortunate to have had ministers who were more of the kinder, gentler attitude, and they passed that on to me.  Both were very accepting of my life situation.</p>
	<p>Annie
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