Comments on: Holm Hill ~ Ancient Mound in Grimsby http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby A Site About Everything and Nothing Thu, 17 May 2012 22:16:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 Comment on Holm Hill ~ Ancient Mound in Grimsby by: Rod http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-21193 Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:14:24 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-21193 Don, thanks for the cooment and a warm welcome to the site - hope you'll return All the best Rod Don,
thanks for the cooment and a warm welcome to the site - hope you’ll return
All the best
Rod

]]> Comment on Holm Hill ~ Ancient Mound in Grimsby by: Don Nicholls http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-21189 Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:19:52 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-21189 I think Holme is Scandinavian for an island hill, not A/S, as in Isle of Axholme and Stockholme. This is understandable as Grimsby itself was settled by Danes. Another such name is Deansgate the original name being Danes' Gate, meaning, of course, the road of the Danes. I think Holme is Scandinavian for an island hill, not A/S, as in Isle of Axholme and Stockholme. This is understandable as Grimsby itself was settled by Danes. Another such name is Deansgate the original name being Danes’ Gate, meaning, of course, the road of the Danes.

]]> Comment on Holm Hill ~ Ancient Mound in Grimsby by: Rod http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-16839 Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:06:57 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-16839 Been looking at the overlays I made some time ago and <b>if</b> the Oliver map can be relied upon then there's much in what HH says. My overlay suggests it starts further north somewhere about Pasture St / Sixhills St stretch north roughly at a 2 O'Clock direction. Might need Neville's cartographic eye on this one Best Rod Been looking at the overlays I made some time ago and if the Oliver map can be relied upon then there’s much in what HH says.
My overlay suggests it starts further north somewhere about Pasture St / Sixhills St stretch north roughly at a 2 O’Clock direction.

Might need Neville’s cartographic eye on this one
Best
Rod

]]> Comment on Holm Hill ~ Ancient Mound in Grimsby by: Rod http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-16836 Mon, 18 Oct 2010 06:33:42 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-16836 HH, interesting anecdotal evidence -it makes it worth having another look at this one. I'm not sure when this one 'disappeared' so that would help in knowing just what people may actually 'know' I was told by somebody some months ago that all 7 hills where on the land now occupied by Aldi etc alongside Cambridge Road - they knew this for sure ! Worth revisiting this one as it's not had the same scrutiny as some of the other hills. Congratulations on your html baptism :) Best Rod HH,
interesting anecdotal evidence -it makes it worth having another look at this one.
I’m not sure when this one ‘disappeared’ so that would help in knowing just what people may actually ‘know’
I was told by somebody some months ago that all 7 hills where on the land now occupied by Aldi etc alongside Cambridge Road - they knew this for sure !

Worth revisiting this one as it’s not had the same scrutiny as some of the other hills.
Congratulations on your html baptism :)
Best
Rod

]]> Comment on Holm Hill ~ Ancient Mound in Grimsby by: History Hunter http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-16833 Sun, 17 Oct 2010 23:24:58 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-16833 Last week while doing taxi service for my dad, i asked him the whereabouts of <b>Holme Hill</b>. As it happens we had just crossed the Victor Street and Wellington Street junction heading towards Freeman Street at the time. He pointed to his left and said that that was the <b>Holme Hill</b> area. He had pointed towards the St Mary's On The Sea Church and <b>Holme Hill</b> School, which is still there in its entirety. My suspicions were founded. I then asked him about <i>Holme Hill Brick and Tile Work</i>s and asked if that was the site of the original <b>Holme Hill</b>. Well, lets put it this way, I cannot repeat his answer. He said that it was called that, purely, because the owner lived in the <b>Holme Hill</b> area. There was never anything there other than a large expanse of waste land. How does he know? He remembers his Grandfather telling him about the area when he was a teenager. My dad lived on Convamore Road in the 30's and 40's backing onto the land. I have been checking and rechecking the 7 Hills map and its relative positioning on the modern maps. I have 5 of the 7 lined up almost perfectly, and yes i realise the chance that the original map is not perfect in its positioning, but apart from enlarging the map to 'fit' it to the modern one, the positions have overlaid spot on. The one that stands out is Holm Hill, being so large. Overlaid on the modern maps it stretches from Wellington Street/Railway Street (ASDA carpark) all the way to the Sheepfold Street/Sixhills Street junction (B&#38;Q/Halfords carparks), crossing and encompassing <b>HOLME STREET</b>!!!!!!!! It is nowhere near the site of the <i>Holme Hill Brick and Tile Works</i>. But then I already knew that :p Please excuse all the <b>BOLD</b> and <i>italic</i> HTML, i have just found out how to do it so thought i would try it out Last week while doing taxi service for my dad, i asked him the whereabouts of Holme Hill. As it happens we had just crossed the Victor Street and Wellington Street junction heading towards Freeman Street at the time. He pointed to his left and said that that was the Holme Hill area. He had pointed towards the St Mary’s On The Sea Church and Holme Hill School, which is still there in its entirety. My suspicions were founded. I then asked him about Holme Hill Brick and Tile Works and asked if that was the site of the original Holme Hill. Well, lets put it this way, I cannot repeat his answer. He said that it was called that, purely, because the owner lived in the Holme Hill area. There was never anything there other than a large expanse of waste land. How does he know? He remembers his Grandfather telling him about the area when he was a teenager. My dad lived on Convamore Road in the 30’s and 40’s backing onto the land.

I have been checking and rechecking the 7 Hills map and its relative positioning on the modern maps. I have 5 of the 7 lined up almost perfectly, and yes i realise the chance that the original map is not perfect in its positioning, but apart from enlarging the map to ‘fit’ it to the modern one, the positions have overlaid spot on. The one that stands out is Holm Hill, being so large. Overlaid on the modern maps it stretches from Wellington Street/Railway Street (ASDA carpark) all the way to the Sheepfold Street/Sixhills Street junction (B&Q/Halfords carparks), crossing and encompassing HOLME STREET!!!!!!!! It is nowhere near the site of the Holme Hill Brick and Tile Works. But then I already knew that :p

Please excuse all the BOLD and italic HTML, i have just found out how to do it so thought i would try it out

]]> Comment on Holm Hill ~ Ancient Mound in Grimsby by: Rod http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-12826 Fri, 30 Apr 2010 07:24:08 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-12826 Neville, I'm always looking for interesting bits of stone or artefacts when I'm out - now Im going to be looking at the make up of the ground as well. I'll go out today and have a look at what's about in the area - you'll be a loss to that teaching caper Neville. . . You seem to be able to inspire an interest in things. Best Rod Neville,
I’m always looking for interesting bits of stone or artefacts when I’m out - now Im going to be looking at the make up of the ground as well.
I’ll go out today and have a look at what’s about in the area - you’ll be a loss to that teaching caper Neville. . .
You seem to be able to inspire an interest in things.
Best
Rod

]]> Comment on Holm Hill ~ Ancient Mound in Grimsby by: Amiguru http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-12823 Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:53:13 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-12823 Rod and Peter, Two contributing factors come to mind. It seems that the boulder clay east of the Wolds is due to glacial erosion of the soft upper chalk. This is born out by it containing erratics from as far afield as Cumberland, The Cheviots and Scandinavia. On top of that and interleaving it, we have sand/gravel beds which were probable innundations of the sea over a long prehistoric periods. At the risk of boring everyone else, here is the preceding paragraph or so of the above quote from Reid's book: <i>"At Great Coates there is an interesting inlier, cut into by the Beck. A pit a short distance from the north-east side shows- Chalky Purple Boulder Clay (on the higher ground) - - 1 to 5 feet Gravelly Sand, with shell fragments principally near the top 12 feet This pit was deepened till water was reached, and shows that the base of the sand must be below the level of the marsh, which is about the level of ordinary high tides. Mr. Cordeaux and myself obtained here the 17 species of mollusca given in the table. They are very fragmentary, though small light shells are sometimes little injured. Special attention was paid to this pit, as it is one of the few places where Boulder Clay can be clearly seen in section vertically over the shelly Gravels. The same Sand Bed passes under the Boulder Clay on which Great Coates is built, and supplies the wells, Mr. Cordeaux also informs me that in lowering the cellar at his house this bed was cut into, and yielded such a constant supply of water that a special drain had to be constructed to carry it away."</i> Summarising my opinion on the basis of both this and the reportage of other writers; I believe that there were isolated high points in a somewhat marshy environment and that in more recent prehistoric times, say 5,000 years ago people chose to live there as the situation offered a natural defensive moat in the form of those marshes. They then apparently built artificial hills on the tops for better security. I hope all this makes sense. Regards, Neville Rod and Peter,

Two contributing factors come to mind. It seems that the boulder clay east of the Wolds is due to glacial erosion of the soft upper chalk. This is born out by it containing erratics from as far afield as Cumberland, The Cheviots and Scandinavia. On top of that and interleaving it, we have sand/gravel beds which were probable innundations of the sea over a long prehistoric periods.

At the risk of boring everyone else, here is the preceding paragraph or so of the above quote from Reid’s book:

“At Great Coates there is an interesting inlier, cut into by the Beck. A pit a short distance from the north-east side shows-
Chalky Purple Boulder Clay (on the higher ground) - - 1 to 5 feet
Gravelly Sand, with shell fragments principally near the top 12 feet
This pit was deepened till water was reached, and shows that the base of the sand must be below the level of the marsh, which is about the level of ordinary high tides. Mr. Cordeaux and myself obtained here the 17 species of mollusca given in the table. They are very fragmentary, though small light shells are sometimes little injured. Special attention was paid to this pit, as it is one of the few places where Boulder Clay can be clearly seen in section vertically over the shelly Gravels.
The same Sand Bed passes under the Boulder Clay on which Great Coates is built, and supplies the wells, Mr. Cordeaux also informs me that in lowering the cellar at his house this bed was cut into, and yielded such a constant supply of water that a special drain had to be constructed to carry it away.”

Summarising my opinion on the basis of both this and the reportage of other writers; I believe that there were isolated high points in a somewhat marshy environment and that in more recent prehistoric times, say 5,000 years ago people chose to live there as the situation offered a natural defensive moat in the form of those marshes. They then apparently built artificial hills on the tops for better security.

I hope all this makes sense.
Regards,
Neville

]]> Comment on Holm Hill ~ Ancient Mound in Grimsby by: Rod http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-12820 Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:22:03 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-12820 Peter, I wouldn't like to say as whatever I do say would be guess-workish. I imagine most of the hills were primarily natural with some man-made topping. We'd need to know the make up of the soil to make any real headway. We know there's shells and the like in there but was that part of the 'natural' or the subsequent building of of some of the sites ? Given the general locations my guess would be they're coastal based and of prehistoric origin Peter Best Rod Peter,
I wouldn’t like to say as whatever I do say would be guess-workish.
I imagine most of the hills were primarily natural with some man-made topping.

We’d need to know the make up of the soil to make any real headway. We know there’s shells and the like in there but was that part of the ‘natural’ or the subsequent building of of some of the sites ?

Given the general locations my guess would be they’re coastal based and of prehistoric origin Peter
Best
Rod

]]> Comment on Holm Hill ~ Ancient Mound in Grimsby by: Peter Mullins http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-12817 Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:56:27 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-12817 So what do we make of the origins of these (mainly sandy) hills? Is it 'erratic' (i.e. random) glacial deposit? Or is it remnants of coastal dunes? So what do we make of the origins of these (mainly sandy) hills? Is it ‘erratic’ (i.e. random) glacial deposit? Or is it remnants of coastal dunes?

]]> Comment on Holm Hill ~ Ancient Mound in Grimsby by: Rod http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-12814 Thu, 29 Apr 2010 06:32:59 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/holm-hill-ancient-mound-in-grimsby#comment-12814 Neville, very interesting indeed- I'll need to get some maps out - Laceby Beck always catches my attention. The church reference certainly pins down the location theory as correct Neville - looks like we've got this one for sure now. Thanks and regards Rod Neville,
very interesting indeed- I’ll need to get some maps out - Laceby Beck always catches my attention.
The church reference certainly pins down the location theory as correct Neville - looks like we’ve got this one for sure now.
Thanks and regards
Rod

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