Comments on: Derren Brown Roulette Trick Did He Get it Wrong On Purpose ? http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose A Site About Everything and Nothing Thu, 17 May 2012 21:20:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 Comment on Derren Brown Roulette Trick Did He Get it Wrong On Purpose ? by: Andy Beveridge http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-26030 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 00:13:59 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-26030 Derren has said in his first book, which was well before that episode (I can't remember this exactly) that a majaiciann gave him the workings out on a napkin on a way to win at roulette, which he had hanging on his wall in his office. He said at that time that he would one day try it out. Maybe he got round to it. Derren has said in his first book, which was well before that episode (I can’t remember this exactly) that a majaiciann gave him the workings out on a napkin on a way to win at roulette, which he had hanging on his wall in his office. He said at that time that he would one day try it out. Maybe he got round to it.

]]> Comment on Derren Brown Roulette Trick Did He Get it Wrong On Purpose ? by: Pete http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-22882 Sat, 03 Dec 2011 17:34:13 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-22882 Yours is an interesting theory. It think he genuinely was trying to win but knew that if he were to fail but at least come close, it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing for all the reasons you said. All the same it was an interesting twist and after my initial feelings of supreme anti-climax I now realise I quite enjoyed the show. As for the legal consequences, I'm sure Channel 4 had an agreement with the casino before the show was broadcast, so I'm inclined to think that everything was genuine. Yours is an interesting theory. It think he genuinely was trying to win but knew that if he were to fail but at least come close, it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing for all the reasons you said. All the same it was an interesting twist and after my initial feelings of supreme anti-climax I now realise I quite enjoyed the show. As for the legal consequences, I’m sure Channel 4 had an agreement with the casino before the show was broadcast, so I’m inclined to think that everything was genuine.

]]> Comment on Derren Brown Roulette Trick Did He Get it Wrong On Purpose ? by: John http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-18688 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 04:27:45 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-18688 Clearly it's a "trick" and he didn't really calculate the speed and trajectory. I'm sure everyone is at least intelligent enough to realize that. Obviously he had to "set it up" some way other than revealing how he really does it. So he makes up an elaborate story of calculations. It is similar to what he did with the lottery trick. He made up an elaborate back-story of spending a year doing research. It's part of his showmanship. As such, there is was NO WAY for him to "win" because he would have had to pay out the money...which he clearly had no way to do without actually being able to beat the casino andwin it. But since he came close, it makes it look like he did basically beat the system, but still didn't have to pay someone. I DO like Derren Brown, but was disappointed that he used "trick photography" (a split screen) for the lottery stunt. It's plain as day if you look at the YouTube videos. Obviously by not being live in front of an audience, he can do whatever he likes and edit and display it however he likes later. This wasn't filmed in 1980. Obviously hidden cameras are far better quality today if he didn't need to "hide" the details. Similarly, he could have gotten better audio regardless of the camera quality. My guess is that he either doctored the video, or wasn't in a real casino at all. Notice how even though he had a hidden camera, you NEVER see any of the rest of the casino. Why? He could have let the camera roll as he walked out to show it was a real casino. And if you say he did it so that the casino didn't know it was theirs, obviously after being on national TV, any casino owner could haave saud "that's my casino, and that's Tim my Roulette employee." Not to mention he LOST £5000....so i really don't think the casino would be hunting him down. I like his more subtle, realistic tricks, but the ones that are so over-the-top and faked, like this and the lottery show, are just stupid. Clearly it’s a “trick” and he didn’t really calculate the speed and trajectory. I’m sure everyone is at least intelligent enough to realize that. Obviously he had to “set it up” some way other than revealing how he really does it. So he makes up an elaborate story of calculations. It is similar to what he did with the lottery trick. He made up an elaborate back-story of spending a year doing research. It’s part of his showmanship. As such, there is was NO WAY for him to “win” because he would have had to pay out the money…which he clearly had no way to do without actually being able to beat the casino andwin it. But since he came close, it makes it look like he did basically beat the system, but still didn’t have to pay someone. I DO like Derren Brown, but was disappointed that he used “trick photography” (a split screen) for the lottery stunt. It’s plain as day if you look at the YouTube videos. Obviously by not being live in front of an audience, he can do whatever he likes and edit and display it however he likes later. This wasn’t filmed in 1980. Obviously hidden cameras are far better quality today if he didn’t need to “hide” the details. Similarly, he could have gotten better audio regardless of the camera quality. My guess is that he either doctored the video, or wasn’t in a real casino at all. Notice how even though he had a hidden camera, you NEVER see any of the rest of the casino. Why? He could have let the camera roll as he walked out to show it was a real casino. And if you say he did it so that the casino didn’t know it was theirs, obviously after being on national TV, any casino owner could haave saud “that’s my casino, and that’s Tim my Roulette employee.” Not to mention he LOST £5000….so i really don’t think the casino would be hunting him down.

I like his more subtle, realistic tricks, but the ones that are so over-the-top and faked, like this and the lottery show, are just stupid.

]]> Comment on Derren Brown Roulette Trick Did He Get it Wrong On Purpose ? by: Lo http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-18419 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 13:41:09 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-18419 Did you guys notice that he asked for 10 five hunderds. But if he was in a casino somewhere in europe, then surley, £5000 in local currency would be sum up to a different number. My theory is that he was betting 5000 of some low power currency (equivelant to a few hundred pounds or something) and that he did his bet on number 8 over and over agian until he got the number next to 8. SImilar to his trick in his special The System. Maybe the bit when he was in the casino is not live..... Did you guys notice that he asked for 10 five hunderds. But if he was in a casino somewhere in europe, then surley, £5000 in local currency would be sum up to a different number.

My theory is that he was betting 5000 of some low power currency (equivelant to a few hundred pounds or something) and that he did his bet on number 8 over and over agian until he got the number next to 8. SImilar to his trick in his special The System.

Maybe the bit when he was in the casino is not live…..

]]> Comment on Derren Brown Roulette Trick Did He Get it Wrong On Purpose ? by: Ben Lindle http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-18163 Sat, 08 Jan 2011 21:45:38 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-18163 It doesn't matter if he did it on purpose or not, it worked. Just look at the numbers of poeple talking about it. It doesn’t matter if he did it on purpose or not, it worked. Just look at the numbers of poeple talking about it.

]]> Comment on Derren Brown Roulette Trick Did He Get it Wrong On Purpose ? by: JJ http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-18025 Sat, 01 Jan 2011 07:30:42 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-18025 If we think about this outside the box for a second guys. Lets not get into a certain situation about. Derren, is a human being, and has shown that nothing he does is magic. He is an illusionist. What Derren actually has done from this show is plain and simple. He has tricked the person. He has made him believe that Derren has actually put money on a bet ect... The whole point of the show wasn't whether or not it was fake or real. Quiet simply put derren knows it was all fake. It was what he intended from the start. I mean Derren has shown this person things he doesn't remember. I may be getting side tracked, but bear in mind it's very late that im writting this. What I'm trying to say is that, everyone on this forum has posted on it being a trick, but I don't think that is what it is. I think it is Darren being able to get 5k of a random person, and make him believe that his money was at stake. To be honest, it matters little of the outcome, it the the persuasion and illusionary about it that has made it what it is. If we think about this outside the box for a second guys. Lets not get into a certain situation about. Derren, is a human being, and has shown that nothing he does is magic. He is an illusionist. What Derren actually has done from this show is plain and simple. He has tricked the person. He has made him believe that Derren has actually put money on a bet ect…
The whole point of the show wasn’t whether or not it was fake or real. Quiet simply put derren knows it was all fake. It was what he intended from the start. I mean Derren has shown this person things he doesn’t remember.
I may be getting side tracked, but bear in mind it’s very late that im writting this. What I’m trying to say is that, everyone on this forum has posted on it being a trick, but I don’t think that is what it is. I think it is Darren being able to get 5k of a random person, and make him believe that his money was at stake. To be honest, it matters little of the outcome, it the the persuasion and illusionary about it that has made it what it is.

]]> Comment on Derren Brown Roulette Trick Did He Get it Wrong On Purpose ? by: Rod http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-16248 Wed, 22 Sep 2010 06:56:01 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-16248 Mick, the thing with Derren Brown is that he doesn't pretend anything he does is anything magical or mysterious - in fact he's continually debunking those who claim to have special powers etc. Personally I prefer his 'stage shows' to these big one off stunts The man is a genius Best Rod Mick,
the thing with Derren Brown is that he doesn’t pretend anything he does is anything magical or mysterious - in fact he’s continually debunking those who claim to have special powers etc.
Personally I prefer his ’stage shows’ to these big one off stunts
The man is a genius
Best
Rod

]]> Comment on Derren Brown Roulette Trick Did He Get it Wrong On Purpose ? by: Mick Deakin http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-16243 Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:18:37 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-16243 Couldn't help having a good trawl through these posts Rod :) I suppose that in the end it makes good viewing. Same with Derek Acorah and the Most Haunted series. If these people sat around for three quarters of an hour and nothing happened - the show would soon be ditched. So things happen and the people act nervous or frightened or hysterical or whatever it takes to impress an audience. I am sure that deep down everyone knows its a set up - in both the above instances. Maybe I'm too much of a cynic but programs like this just dont do anything for me. A similar situation goes on in the USA and is big big TV - the televised wrestling bouts that attract live and TV audiences by the million. ALL scripted stage managed to a large degree, yet the live audiences act like its a Colosseum gladiatorial fight !! Or maybe the audience is stage managed as well ;) Mick Couldn’t help having a good trawl through these posts Rod :)

I suppose that in the end it makes good viewing. Same with Derek Acorah and the Most Haunted series. If these people sat around for three quarters of an hour and nothing happened - the show would soon be ditched. So things happen and the people act nervous or frightened or hysterical or whatever it takes to impress an audience. I am sure that deep down everyone knows its a set up - in both the above instances. Maybe I’m too much of a cynic but programs like this just dont do anything for me. A similar situation goes on in the USA and is big big TV - the televised wrestling bouts that attract live and TV audiences by the million. ALL scripted stage managed to a large degree, yet the live audiences act like its a Colosseum gladiatorial fight !! Or maybe the audience is stage managed as well ;)

Mick

]]> Comment on Derren Brown Roulette Trick Did He Get it Wrong On Purpose ? by: Dan http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-16238 Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:06:03 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-16238 Most casinos won't accept individual bets of such large amounts on single numbers simply because the pay-out would be too large if someone happened to win. To accept a bet like that surely it would have to be a 'high stakes' table. That might have been the case; from the very small amount we saw of e rest of the room it didn't look to be very large - I didn't see any other tables, and I think you get the feel for the size of the room and it is quite small. So perhaps it was a high stakes table in an exclusive room you may say. But then Derren said he'd been studying that particular table for hours earlier in the day. Surely he can't have been inconspicuous in doing so, and surely the casino would discourage people loitering around a high stakes table for hours without placing any bets. The match-box trick was pretty obvious; he knew which box had the money (and even marked one to make it easy on himself). If the box with the money had have ended up with the 'winner' (guy) all he would have to do would be to not mention the message written on the note and say "look, you won, I told you you would". Therefore the 'final instruction' (the note, which you'll note he didn't mention until after he knew where the boxes ended up) was insurance in case the girl ended up with the money. When the guy went to put the money in his wallet he would have seen the message, but by then the trick would be finished and they wouldn't have to show it in the TV. Most casinos won’t accept individual bets of such large amounts on single numbers simply because the pay-out would be too large if someone happened to win. To accept a bet like that surely it would have to be a ‘high stakes’ table.

That might have been the case; from the very small amount we saw of e rest of the room it didn’t look to be very large - I didn’t see any other tables, and I think you get the feel for the size of the room and it is quite small.

So perhaps it was a high stakes table in an exclusive room you may say. But then Derren said he’d been studying that particular table for hours earlier in the day. Surely he can’t have been inconspicuous in doing so, and surely the casino would discourage people loitering around a high stakes table for hours without placing any bets.

The match-box trick was pretty obvious; he knew which box had the money (and even marked one to make it easy on himself). If the box with the money had have ended up with the ‘winner’ (guy) all he would have to do would be to not mention the message written on the note and say “look, you won, I told you you would”.

Therefore the ‘final instruction’ (the note, which you’ll note he didn’t mention until after he knew where the boxes ended up) was insurance in case the girl ended up with the money. When the guy went to put the money in his wallet he would have seen the message, but by then the trick would be finished and they wouldn’t have to show it in the TV.

]]> Comment on Derren Brown Roulette Trick Did He Get it Wrong On Purpose ? by: lljames http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-13547 Mon, 17 May 2010 06:40:49 +0000 http://www.rodcollins.com/wordpress/derrenbrown-roulette-trick-did-he-get-wrong-on-purpose#comment-13547 I may be belated in watching this episode, because they don't air it where I live, but in my opinion. He messed up and everyone else is reading too much into it. Its good that you are, because it shows that you are all thinking people, but really... He simply messed up. I may be belated in watching this episode, because they don’t air it where I live, but in my opinion. He messed up and everyone else is reading too much into it. Its good that you are, because it shows that you are all thinking people, but really… He simply messed up.

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